Kiabindhi - Bengals

[Iknownada]

Sorry to hear re Indy's tummy, Loki still hasn't done a solid poo but the stuff we got from the vet has helped and there's no more blood. Like Indy Loki is totally fine in himself and vet is happy with him otherwise. All the litter were gorgeous out of interest what collar colour was yours? We were blue
Loki not showed much interest in the curtains yet he's far too happy climbing up us trying to get places but that's what kittens do! And yes like your boy everyone loves him except maybe when he gets his wild look and it's feather toy at the ready!
Would be good hearing how Indy grows up!

Also to poster re rescue cats / trophy cats. we had a rescue cat who we had from a kitten till she had to be put to sleep this year after 17 wonderful years and is still sadly missed. Choice makes the world go round and you try getting near a kitten these days in a rescue centre and most adults cats are not suitable for young children. So we made an informed decision to get a kitten from a reputable breeder

[clarkmagpie]

Our feather toy is looking a bit sorry for itself now!
Indy had the beige collar.
PM me, will be interesting to see how they grow up

[Iknownada]

The litter were all gorgeous

[Mobile Chicane]

Iknownada said:

Also to poster re rescue cats / trophy cats. we had a rescue cat who we had from a kitten till she had to be put to sleep this year after 17 wonderful years and is still sadly missed. Choice makes the world go round and you try getting near a kitten these days in a rescue centre and most adults cats are not suitable for young children. So we made an informed decision to get a kitten from a reputable breeder

You've justified your choice in your own mind, and no amount of rational argument will persuade you to deviate from such a viewpoint.

However, please, no-one else be taken in by such claptrap. Adult rescue cats make great pets. Even the 'difficult' ones.

It's just a question of understanding their needs and giving them space. Valuable lessons for any child, no?

[anonymous-user]

Well said MC

[The Nur]

If the OP didn't want an older cat I don't see what business it is of anybody else's.

Congratulations OP.

[Iknownada]

See the over opinionated brigade are out forcing their view on everyone who differs from their own.

[bexVN]

Mobile Chicane said:

Iknownada said:

Also to poster re rescue cats / trophy cats. we had a rescue cat who we had from a kitten till she had to be put to sleep this year after 17 wonderful years and is still sadly missed. Choice makes the world go round and you try getting near a kitten these days in a rescue centre and most adults cats are not suitable for young children. So we made an informed decision to get a kitten from a reputable breeder

You've justified your choice in your own mind, and no amount of rational argument will persuade you to deviate from such a viewpoint.

However, please, no-one else be taken in by such claptrap. Adult rescue cats make great pets. Even the 'difficult' ones.

It's just a question of understanding their needs and giving them space. Valuable lessons for any child, no?

No they really don't always. My parents took on an 11yr old cat that had become completely intolerant to the children in his original home, The owners were devastated, they were caring owners who had persevered and done everything possible to prevent aggravation to him but he just couldn't cope. Unfortunately he ended up attacking the baby, my parents had just them and our dog who he did tolerate well!! Perfect retirement home.

You have your viewpoint which you have already made quite clear and there is validity to it but the owners have made their decision they have their kitten whom I'm sure they will love and cherish for many years and that is what is important now, not pointless after the fact comments.

[anonymous-user]

Iknownada said:

See the over opinionated brigade are out forcing their view on everyone who differs from their own.

Not over opinionated, just stating my view. I would never support anyone that makes money from breeding domestic pets for a living! It is over breeding which causes inherent medical conditions.

If you are comfortable with that then fine, I just don't agree and I am sure you will love your mog as much as I do mine and give him a great life

[IainT]

digimeistter said:

It is over breeding which causes inherent medical conditions.

Eh? Breeding too many pets for domestic purposes leads to medical conditions? Eh?

[bexVN]

It's a complicated topic. Those who breed responsibly really can't make a living from it, responsible breeders more than ever these days work carefully to ensure healthy lines, they have waiting lists for their animals and will take them back if there is a change of circumstances etc.

Backyard breeders take very little of the above time and care and should be avoided and are irresponsible, no time for this type of breeder.

Puppy farms, even worse than backyard breeders, a cruel environment and I wish they could be closed down for good, nothing but suffering in these places and often heartbreak for new owners of these pups I wish wish wish people researched a bit more, people still accept delivered puppies at service stations!!

Then there are the careless owners who don't neuter their cats and allow one or two litters to be born accidentally. Hand them off cheaply to anyone who wants them without any aftercare etc. These are actually by far the biggest problems in the cat world and the biggest reason for the amount of cats in rescue.

The kittens being discussed in this thread come under number one of my list, if everyone bred cats in this way there would be a much reduced homeless cat problem and reduced risk of medical issues.

[IainT]

Well said Bex - Responsible breeders and responsible owners are not the problem.

Of course, if more people were prepared to pay a reasonable price for cats and dogs responsible breeding would be profitable and there would be more responsible breeders around.

[blueg33]

Our Bengals came from Queenanne cats. Very good breeder, our cats are very friendly make great pets as well as looking great.

http://www.queenannecats.co.uk/

[Iknownada]

In my opinion it's one of those emotive subjects however I am always curious why a pedigree cat seems to evoke more opinion than a pedigree dog - just something I've personally observed.

I am a great believer in kids having a pet to help them develop caring and understanding of someone else. Our son was very upset at the loss of our cat and wanted a kitten which we thought was the best option as our previous excellent natured cat had taken time to adjust to kids being about - she never harmed them but was very wary and hid which upset us. We didn't want to put an unfamiliar adult cat through that as a cat is for life. So we picked a pedigree this time (we loved the breed and rescue kittens are almost impossible to get) as we would never get a kitten from eg gumtree etc. as you want to be sure they are being bred responsibly mog or otherwise.

We don't need to justify, we are all happy and our new kitten is already a much loved and looked after part of the family. We are all entitled to our opinions and choices - it doesn't need to get personal.

[bexVN]

It is just the same (actually probably worse) when discussing buying puppies over rescuing.

I have taken on rescue/rehomes (and got my family to!) for 25yrs, from a mouse, gerbil, rats, budgies, hamsters to cats and dogs but after the early loss of our whippet we decided on another whippet. We looked at rescues but nearly all of them said no children under 8 and most were no cats so we went for a puppy. We didn't do top line breeder mind, we chose family bred, only having one litter but brilliantly socialised with a toddler, this was our priority over anything else. Still felt guilty that we didn't rescue at the time (not now of course!)

[Iknownada]

See it is possible to have conversations about these things
Yes I hear on the guilt part it is a massive decision on where to get from, you just have to make the best decision for you and your circumstances and source your choice responsibly.

[blueg33]

My teenage daughter works at a cat rescue centre, we have pedigree cats and 1 cat we took in after his owner died.

I hate the argument about rescue vs pedigree, cat the cat you want and don't feel guilty. There is a place for both. The main thing is to love and care for whichever animal yoh choose as s pet.

Plus. Where my daughter works, they have no problem finding homes for the cats. The ones that are not suitable as pets become resident.

[Thevet]

digimeistter said:

Not over opinionated, just stating my view. I would never support anyone that makes money from breeding domestic pets for a living! It is over breeding which causes inherent medical conditions.

If you are comfortable with that then fine, I just don't agree and I am sure you will love your mog as much as I do mine and give him a great life

A very single minded opinion, which as an opinion, is just as valid, however, breeding domestic pets for a living is far older than you or I, if you only want non-domestic breeds then please go for a jungle cat or a wolf, you won't last long, if you are simply saying you don't like breeding for money, then you will lose the difference between all breeds, be it chihuahuas or british blues. If you are saying breeders shouldn't ask for money for their produce, then perhaps you should do your job for free and forget buying the heating fuel or school clothes, if it wasn't for my subsidy on what my wife does as a breeder, it wouldn't happen. My wife, as a breeder with morals, chooses what she does with her breed of interest, and the lines available, in order to breed pets with amazing traits, and by working hard with the kittens she breeds, produces beautiful kittens that are far more sociable than most bengals.
Unless selection pressure is applied, nature will not be kind in response to us, but it has to be responsible.
The same principle applies to my area of interest, dairy cattle, selective breeding has achieved some amazing results, but it can also present new challenges, although the pet breeding community is arguably decades behind farming.
So, feel free to advocate domestic moggies and mongrels, but I am in love with many of the traits I find in so many of the different breeds around, especially my latest, a rottie.