Why is Tony Blair so unpopular?
Discussion
MGJohn said:
Yes I can appreciate your point of view but, contrary to what you say, being foul-mouthed is not necessary. I know of folks who are equally hateful of the "Blasted Margaret" too and I have some sympathy for their reasons for that.
My friendly Boxster driving neighbour who once castigated me for my choice of cars "you can't beat German Engineering and reliability John" but for reasons I wont go into now no longer does so, once revealed a disproportionate hatred for Thatcher. Very puzzling as he has run is own business for decades and I had him marked down as a Capitalist rapid Tory Thatcher lover for yonks. Not so. He even gave his employees a day off when she died... Rejoicing and all that.
You, me, him .... there's nowt so queer as folk. Cue homophobe accusations ..
.. 
How did we ever come to this ... :dunno;
Like an increasing number, I too dislike what Thatcher and the team of worst forms of Quick-fix Tories she gathered around her did to my beloved country. In May 1979 I was all set to vote for her. My mother ~ another "strong" woman ~ marked my card that she was not good for the UK's longer term and we argued at length about that. Come the day and the demands of my job called me away and I was not able to visit the Polling Station in time. On reflection, I am rather pleased about that little twist of fate ... going all biblical and Monty Python....
It's a sign... ... It sure was...
...
Have you ever thought, seriously, about where we might now be if by some freak chance labour had won in '79 and been allowed to carry on as they were?My friendly Boxster driving neighbour who once castigated me for my choice of cars "you can't beat German Engineering and reliability John" but for reasons I wont go into now no longer does so, once revealed a disproportionate hatred for Thatcher. Very puzzling as he has run is own business for decades and I had him marked down as a Capitalist rapid Tory Thatcher lover for yonks. Not so. He even gave his employees a day off when she died... Rejoicing and all that.
You, me, him .... there's nowt so queer as folk. Cue homophobe accusations ..
.. How did we ever come to this ... :dunno;
Like an increasing number, I too dislike what Thatcher and the team of worst forms of Quick-fix Tories she gathered around her did to my beloved country. In May 1979 I was all set to vote for her. My mother ~ another "strong" woman ~ marked my card that she was not good for the UK's longer term and we argued at length about that. Come the day and the demands of my job called me away and I was not able to visit the Polling Station in time. On reflection, I am rather pleased about that little twist of fate ... going all biblical and Monty Python....
It's a sign... ... It sure was...
...
Begging from Greece perhaps?
REALIST123 said:
Have you ever thought, seriously, about where we might now be if by some freak chance labour had won in '79 and been allowed to carry on as they were?
Begging from Greece perhaps?
Yes I have. Have you? Bit OTT your second question though. You a fan of Thatcher all all her doings? I'm not.Begging from Greece perhaps?
Even her own beloved party awarded her the BIG E in due course and rightly so. Should have acted sooner ... just my humble opinion of course. Other opinions are available ...
creampuff said:
Every time I hear the word Blair, I think you 
Blair.
When I heard on the news that ISIS had taken over Mosul, the fist thing which came out of my mouth was "You Blair"
There is no other person in the entire world who I call a, just Blair. He is a real , I think the biggest one on the planet.
Sorry but this sort of language is unacceptable on a public forum, I had to cover my eyes each time I read the word 'Blair', where's the vomit bag? Blair. When I heard on the news that ISIS had taken over Mosul, the fist thing which came out of my mouth was "You
Blair"There is no other person in the entire world who I call a
, just Blair. He is a real , I think the biggest one on the planet. Have you been Blaired?
DJRC said:
The trouble with Maggie is she was what the country needed not what they wanted. Very very rarely are those who are "needed" thought of and remembered in affection.
Blair of course was what the country wanted not what they needed. That brings its own demons in hindsight.
Maggie was an old school politician looking out for the benefit of the country rather than for how she could benefit from the country, and that is where Thatcher and Blair differed. She rid the country of some tyrannical union leaders and led us out of out of continual strikes and power cuts, then in later years went on to made some monumental mistakes when power obviously went to her head. Blair just looked out for how to profit from his position of authority and trust as PM, whilst Cherie meddled with the laws of the country. Champagne socialists the pair of them.Blair of course was what the country wanted not what they needed. That brings its own demons in hindsight.
I see that Blair is once again in the tabloid newspapers, apparently for trying to do a few dodgy deals with the ex-dictator whilst he was still alive.
And just for good measure, the results of the Chilcot inquiry have now been fobbed off till June 2016 due to claims the first draft is badly written and riddled with errors. I think Chilcot needs to be sacked from his position and the whole inquiry published warts and all.
Have you been Blaired ?
She actually didn't make many mistakes and the Poll was arguably far far better than what we now have and fairer than at the time (ok it isn't arguable, CC sucks donkey dick compared to the PT and we all suffer now). She was sent packing by the country and the bds because her job was done as the country perceived it. She had been the nasty dose of medicine the country knew it needed but never liked.
Who gives a fk about Chilcott? It will say nothing, do nothing and affects nothing.
ds because her job was done as the country perceived it. She had been the nasty dose of medicine the country knew it needed but never liked. Who gives a f
k about Chilcott? It will say nothing, do nothing and affects nothing. DJRC said:
She actually didn't make many mistakes and the Poll was arguably far far better than what we now have and fairer than at the time (ok it isn't arguable, CC sucks donkey dick compared to the PT and we all suffer now). She was sent packing by the country and the bds because her job was done as the country perceived it. She had been the nasty dose of medicine the country knew it needed but never liked.
Who gives a fk about Chilcott? It will say nothing, do nothing and affects nothing.
Quite true about Maggie who was vastly superior to the lily livered career politicians of all parties that we now have.ds because her job was done as the country perceived it. She had been the nasty dose of medicine the country knew it needed but never liked. Who gives a f
k about Chilcott? It will say nothing, do nothing and affects nothing. As regards the Chilcott
rich888 said:
DJRC said:
She actually didn't make many mistakes and the Poll was arguably far far better than what we now have and fairer than at the time (ok it isn't arguable, CC sucks donkey dick compared to the PT and we all suffer now). She was sent packing by the country and the bds because her job was done as the country perceived it. She had been the nasty dose of medicine the country knew it needed but never liked.
Who gives a fk about Chilcott? It will say nothing, do nothing and affects nothing.
Quite true about Maggie who was vastly superior to the lily livered career politicians of all parties that we now have.ds because her job was done as the country perceived it. She had been the nasty dose of medicine the country knew it needed but never liked. Who gives a f
k about Chilcott? It will say nothing, do nothing and affects nothing. As regards the Chilcott
ash73 said:
MGJohn said:
Chilcot ... learning the truth you say... interesting reading ... Hah! ... no chance ...
Read the docs on the Chilcot webpage instead of posting this cynical crap. It's all there, you don't need to wait for the report to understand what happened.Your axe is almost as well ground as mine ..
The truth about what exactly? What is your point, what are you expecting? What is your end game for this?
Chilcott will tel you nothing that changes anything or has any impact on anything important in any way shape or form.
So what exactly is your point because I don't understand.
And Murdoch couldn't care less about Blair these days unless it helps him sell papers.
Chilcott will tel you nothing that changes anything or has any impact on anything important in any way shape or form.
So what exactly is your point because I don't understand.
And Murdoch couldn't care less about Blair these days unless it helps him sell papers.
DJRC said:
Chilcott will tel you nothing...
Would this be the same Chilcott that was one of Blairs most senior civil servants responsible for aspects of military intelligence in the run up to the Iraq war? The same Chilcott appointed by Blair to co-author the Butler report into the use of WMD intelligence in the run up to the Iraq war that 'astonishingly' found WMD evidence was unreliable and no one was to blame? The same Chilcott that has failed to produce anything in the last 6 years? I guess if you're on 800 quid a day why would you? Only FIFA could conduct a less independent enquiry.DJRC said:
The truth about what exactly? What is your point, what are you expecting? What is your end game for this?
Chilcott will tel you nothing that changes anything or has any impact on anything important in any way shape or form.
So what exactly is your point because I don't understand.
And Murdoch couldn't care less about Blair these days unless it helps him sell papers.
I must warn you DJRC, please stop posting reasoned and in depth understanding of human nature, It is not appreciated in certain quarters.Chilcott will tel you nothing that changes anything or has any impact on anything important in any way shape or form.
So what exactly is your point because I don't understand.
And Murdoch couldn't care less about Blair these days unless it helps him sell papers.
fblm said:
DJRC said:
Chilcott will tel you nothing...
Would this be the same Chilcott that was one of Blairs most senior civil servants responsible for aspects of military intelligence in the run up to the Iraq war? The same Chilcott appointed by Blair to co-author the Butler report into the use of WMD intelligence in the run up to the Iraq war that 'astonishingly' found WMD evidence was unreliable and no one was to blame? The same Chilcott that has failed to produce anything in the last 6 years? I guess if you're on 800 quid a day why would you? Only FIFA could conduct a less independent enquiry.So again with my previous question...what do you think you will be told? What is your endgame for this? That Blair lied about something? Yes, and?
DJRC said:
He could be Jesus Christ Superstar himself for all I care - ITS STILL GOING TO TELL YOU NOTHING ABOUT ANYTHING WHICH HAS ANY IMPACT ON ANYTHING!
So again with my previous question...what do you think you will be told? What is your endgame for this? That Blair lied about something? Yes, and?
My endgame? What are you talking about? It's the first time I mentioned him and only in agreeing with you FFS. I couldn't care less about your question but given the authors previous report on WMD's and intelligence I seriously doubt it will say anything of any substance and even if it did no one who matters cares. If you let your knickers get any more twisted you'll do yourself an injury.So again with my previous question...what do you think you will be told? What is your endgame for this? That Blair lied about something? Yes, and?
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 1st September 18:20
fblm said:
DJRC said:
Chilcott will tel you nothing...
Would this be the same Chilcott that was one of Blairs most senior civil servants responsible for aspects of military intelligence in the run up to the Iraq war? The same Chilcott appointed by Blair to co-author the Butler report into the use of WMD intelligence in the run up to the Iraq war that 'astonishingly' found WMD evidence was unreliable and no one was to blame? The same Chilcott that has failed to produce anything in the last 6 years? I guess if you're on 800 quid a day why would you? Only FIFA could conduct a less independent enquiry.So let me get this right, the main man, as in Chilcot, responsible for military intelligence in the run up to the war in Iraq in 2003, is then put in charge of the inquiry by none other than Tony f
king Blair, at a cost of £800 per day (£292,000 per year), oh for fks sake why is this being allowed to continue, this inquiry is a scandal in itself. Cameron needs to stop talking so much ste, sack this man on the spot for gross incompetence, and appoint someone that will genuinely dig out the truth. I would be happy to take on the task for say £300 per day 
We all know the people to blame, was it good old Tony Blair and George W Bush plus their accomplices in this illegal war in Iraq, was one of them Dick Cheney? but what we need is the real juicy legal stuff that will put them behind bars for a very long time.
Many innocent men, women and children have died in Iraq due to this war, and many more are still dying to this day caused by the instabilities in the Middle East, and we lost a good many of our soldiers who had loving wives and kids due to this war. ISIS wouldn't have a foothold in the Middle East had it not been for the power vacuum caused in Iraq by the executing Saddam Hussein who knew to much to be allowed to live. This war will I fear come back to us in the West and bite us with a vengeance. Blair and Bush have blood on their hands.
Blair's place in history would be totally different had Iraq worked out better. The reason he went in is obvious he wanted to get his legacy. If the legacy of Iraq had been leading peace and a spread of democracy in the region he would have been a hero to people all over the world. He took a ballsy decision and he fked up.
Aside from that he presided over one of the best periods of development and growth in a generation, created lots of wealth for probably most people posting on this thread and he was the last charismatic leader we've had in politics since.
As a Labour supporter it's disappointing to see that every time he speaks out on something its like poison. The party is scared to death of new Labour but new Labour is precisely what the country needs. If history was different and TB was a newcomer against Cameron it would have been a landslide. Charisma vs bum face. Right wing leftism. That's what we need now rather than the utter shower we have. We'll see how things look when the 40% cuts start to bite. This parliament will see the start of a terrific downturn I reckon.
If and when the party votes fecking Corbyn that seals the fate of the country for 10 years....
ked up. Aside from that he presided over one of the best periods of development and growth in a generation, created lots of wealth for probably most people posting on this thread and he was the last charismatic leader we've had in politics since.
As a Labour supporter it's disappointing to see that every time he speaks out on something its like poison. The party is scared to death of new Labour but new Labour is precisely what the country needs. If history was different and TB was a newcomer against Cameron it would have been a landslide. Charisma vs bum face. Right wing leftism. That's what we need now rather than the utter shower we have. We'll see how things look when the 40% cuts start to bite. This parliament will see the start of a terrific downturn I reckon.
If and when the party votes fecking Corbyn that seals the fate of the country for 10 years....
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