The new Average speed cameras on the A40 /westway West Lond

[SFO]

Dave Finney said:

SFO said:

any one know whether the system is live

Transport for London have stated: "There will be information regarding the expected enforcement of the Average Speed System provided to motorists by the local Variable Message Signs in the weeks leading up to the system going live".

There has not been any mention on the "local Variable Message Signs" yet, so we should still be weeks away. This suggests perhaps mid October?

was on A40 going from Polish WM to Paddington last night .. 98% of the cars were driving as if the system is live.

you can see the cameras and the spotlights associated with each.

[Dave Finney]

SFO said:

Dave Finney said:

SFO said:

any one know whether the system is live

Transport for London have stated: "There will be information regarding the expected enforcement of the Average Speed System provided to motorists by the local Variable Message Signs in the weeks leading up to the system going live".

There has not been any mention on the "local Variable Message Signs" yet, so we should still be weeks away. This suggests perhaps mid October?

was on A40 going from Polish WM to Paddington last night .. 98% of the cars were driving as if the system is live.

you can see the cameras and the spotlights associated with each.

I agree but when 98% believed the Earth was at the centre of the universe, it didn't make it true.

Transport for London have clearly stated the average speed camera system will not go live until weeks after they announce as such on the Variable Message Signs. The question is, would Transport for London mislead citizens again?

[SFO]

Dave Finney said:

SFO said:

Dave Finney said:

SFO said:

any one know whether the system is live

Transport for London have stated: "There will be information regarding the expected enforcement of the Average Speed System provided to motorists by the local Variable Message Signs in the weeks leading up to the system going live".

There has not been any mention on the "local Variable Message Signs" yet, so we should still be weeks away. This suggests perhaps mid October?

was on A40 going from Polish WM to Paddington last night .. 98% of the cars were driving as if the system is live.

you can see the cameras and the spotlights associated with each.

I agree but when 98% believed the Earth was at the centre of the universe, it didn't make it true.

Transport for London have clearly stated the average speed camera system will not go live until weeks after they announce as such on the Variable Message Signs. The question is, would Transport for London mislead citizens again?

what and where are the Variable Message Signs?

[Dave Finney]

SFO said:

what and where are the Variable Message Signs?

There are a number of fixed matrix signs which can display messages but you may also notice a number of new temporary, mobile matrix signs.

So far they have had warnings of delays due to accidents, road closures or road works. I've yet to see any message about the Average Speed-camera System, as TfL have said they will do "in the weeks leading up to the system going live".

[DonkeyApple]

What about the fixed, metal signs that have been put up stating it is an average speed camera area?

Why do the warnings need to be electronic out of interest?

I'm sure it isn't live, just because this would mean a project has been delivered precisely on time and is working but why does the go live specifically need to announced in digital form?

And is it a variable speed limit or just average cameras? I've not seen any electronic speed signs akin to those used on the M25 etc?

[SFO]

DonkeyApple said:

And is it a variable speed limit or just average cameras?

I haven't seen any ability to vary the speed limit a la M25. It's average speed cameras, at a set speed (metal signs).

[Dave Finney]

DonkeyApple said:

What about the fixed, metal signs that have been put up stating it is an average speed camera area?

Why do the warnings need to be electronic out of interest?

I'm sure it isn't live, just because this would mean a project has been delivered precisely on time and is working but why does the go live specifically need to announced in digital form?

And is it a variable speed limit or just average cameras? I've not seen any electronic speed signs akin to those used on the M25 etc?

The A40 has fixed speed limits, 50 then 40 Eastbound, 40 then 50 Westbound (there are no variable speed limits).

Speed cameras do not any need warnings at all, electronic or otherwise.

The reason we can expect the speed cameras are not live yet is that Transport for London have stated: "There will be information regarding the expected enforcement of the Average Speed System provided to motorists by the local Variable Message Signs in the weeks leading up to the system going live".

I have not yet seen any mention on the "local Variable Message Signs", so we should still be weeks away. This suggests that the speed cameras may go live perhaps mid October? Of course, that presumes Transport for London are being honest on this particular issue?

[CarsAreBad2572]

Methinks that people are overcomplicating things here. I've got a very reliable way of ensuring that I don't get speeding tickets and I don't have to worry about where cameras are. Can anyone guess what it is?

[DonkeyApple]

CarsAreBad2572 said:

Methinks that people are overcomplicating things here. I've got a very reliable way of ensuring that I don't get speeding tickets and I don't have to worry about where cameras are. Can anyone guess what it is?

An old Toyota in someone else's name and living in a back garden shed near Heathrow?

[Greenmantle]

CarsAreBad2572 said:

Methinks that people are overcomplicating things here. I've got a very reliable way of ensuring that I don't get speeding tickets and I don't have to worry about where cameras are. Can anyone guess what it is?

You are Calum GilHooley and ICMFP.

John

[Dave Finney]

CarsAreBad2572 said:

Methinks that people are overcomplicating things here. I've got a very reliable way of ensuring that I don't get speeding tickets and I don't have to worry about where cameras are. Can anyone guess what it is?

Is the clue in the name? My guess is you don't get speeding tickets because you don't have a car.

[SFO]

CarsAreBad2572 said:

Methinks that people are overcomplicating things here. I've got a very reliable way of ensuring that I don't get speeding tickets and I don't have to worry about where cameras are. Can anyone guess what it is?

you are saint .. ask the Pope to confirm

[ORD]

CarsAreBad2572 said:

Methinks that people are overcomplicating things here. I've got a very reliable way of ensuring that I don't get speeding tickets and I don't have to worry about where cameras are. Can anyone guess what it is?

The problem here is that the 40 limit is comically low for the road. It causes me no end of grief travelling at a steady 40mph because most cars still travel at around 50-55 (the sensible speed for the part of the A40 that I use at the times I use it). If the average speed cameras are on, a lot of people are in trouble.

[giggity]

The whole thing is a load of utter st.

I've seen the congestion increase on the A40 hugely. I used to be able to make decent safe progress from Paddington to the the Westway / Wood Lane flyover - and it was quick and easy.

Now it's a mess and its standstill for hours.

Adding the cameras to the A406 is going to cripple London, I guess that's job done. TFL who are only interested in cyclists and *public transport* have fked over the car driver.

I don't think the A406 is live but I've seen the new cameras beginning to appear from Hanger Lane to around Brent Cross. Also no signs yet.

Only a matter of time time - just to add - them tossers at TfL (Boris) are probably loving this. It's all about money and revenue.

fking hell, cars make progress in ESP, braking, attention assist etc, but we get slower and slower.

How do I know this won't improve safety? The A fking 13. They put the average cameras up and there are often fatal accidents and road closures. The average cameras did fk all to fix that.

[ORD]

Congestion got a lot worse when the speed limit decreased, and it has increased further with the average speed cameras (although most people are ignoring them).

It's slightly worse early in the morning but much, much worse in the evening. London just takes longer to clear Westwards now, so congestion builds up much further back and it becomes a crawl for miles. London should be looking to spit cars out onto the M40 as quickly as it can, but it seems to want them to hang around!

[giggity]

Agreed.

It's befome a joke, I certainly think its deliberate from TFL and they do poorly organised road works. Hanger Lane tunnel, Fore Street Tunnel, and closing entire lanes for st like cutting grass and picking litter.

As long as London comes to a standstill they're happy.

The cameras are all about money. Someone should put bin liners over them all.

Just incase anyone doesn't know these new cameras are rear facing - the are yellow mounted high up but on a black pole, you will see a white reference marker pained on the road like a dash or similar and at nighttime you will see the 3 lanes are clearly illuminated to make sure they catch you.

Even at 4am you have to sit slowly at 40. fking bullst. And the Tories said the war on motorists was over. fking bullst and lies.

Get the London roads out of the hands of TFL, it's a conflict of interest.

So manly badly phased lights too!

[CarsAreBad2572]

Dave Finney said:

Is the clue in the name?

The 4 numbers in particular. Perhaps I'm a parody of certain other sanctimonious posters who most of us are getting rather fed up with?

This latest assault on the London motorist does indeed sound like utter bullst. For years in free-flowing conditions, most motorists have shown the stupid A40 limits the contempt they deserved and slowed down in concert for the cameras. Now it's going to be a control freak's wet dream, with people having to crawl along painfully slowly for miles, and automatic tickets for any non-compliance. I expect to see Breadvan72 gleefully posting photos of processions of miserable drivers taken from A40 overbridges soon. I would say just avoid London but I know not everyone can, and this sort of fkwittery will doubtless spread to other places.

Restrictions like these on motorists have been ratcheting up for years of course, and I had hoped that at least at some point they'd plateau, on the basis that you only want to ps off the majority of voters so much. But it appears not, with the above kind of thing going on on roads like the A40, 20mph limits proliferating on slower roads (becoming more and more enforceable, e.g. Islington), and variable speed limits (with cameras still on at 70mph) covering more and more motorways. It would seem that there's no end to it and no escape. Democracy in this country is dead, and the nanny statists seem to have won. The rolling back of, say, clamping and CCTV parking "enforcement" gives a glimmer of hope, but no more than that.

Going to go and slit my wrists now.

[giggity]

It's fked. The A40 is a complete fk up as a result.
If you monitor TFL Twitter it's blamed on the sheer volume of traffic and poor weather.

bks. Boris go suck your mum - you ugly .

[Slaav]

We drove back into London on the A40 this morning for the first time since the roadworks fked driving around Oxford...... (Took to the M4 as preferred route!)

I only just noticed that all of the older standard yellow Gatsos are gone on the stretch in question. Surely TfL or Highways haven't left this section 'unguarded'?

Yet again, my average over the whole stretch wouldn't have challenged a granny in Yorks armed with High Viz.... Except for past wood Lane and the Westway, where I was comfortably the slowest car at an indicated 43/44!!!!!

Utter s.

[giggity]

Well call me Mr conspiracy but...

Average cameras on A406, A40, A13 crippling London.

More standstill cars in London longer = more emissions...

Ban diesels and also extend the congestion charging zones. It's only a matter of time.

This is only just beginning...

Islington have a blanket 20mph limit, Hammersmith and Fulham are trying to do the same.

It's all bonkers. The tubes and busses cant even cope anyway. After all the trouble of getting a place in London it does just make you think fk it. This is a load of st.

Least I can vent on here