Reduced Power Output for Rhd Mustangs
Discussion
As has been said 5 BHP is neither here or there......but if I'm honest, I'm more concerned that they've only just realised that either the RHD steering column, didn't fit with the exhaust manifold, or the exhaust manifold was in the way of the new RHD Steering......
In this age of computer design etc, I would have thought all this would have been established ages ago....
It does make me wonder what else will have to be "tweeked" to get the RHD bit to work
Let's hope they've realised we need pedals on the RHS as well as a steering wheel
In this age of computer design etc, I would have thought all this would have been established ages ago....
It does make me wonder what else will have to be "tweeked" to get the RHD bit to work
Let's hope they've realised we need pedals on the RHS as well as a steering wheel
foliedouce said:
My worry is whether the Borla after market exhaust will fit to the new manifold
I can't believe the manifold will be any different where it meets the big resonator in the middle, so should be fine....If it isn't, I have a grinder and a welder, and I know how to use em
I spoke to ford head office, so...
1.) It's been moved for the steering column, (they would've had the same issue on the other side on a LHD as it is a V), it isn't the steering Column it's something else but they don't know
2.) they have tested the new manifold and say the torque curve isn't affected... But at the top of the rpm range you lose abit more, BUT get this! So how many cars have Ben tested not all cars come out the factory the same? Well they don't know...
3.) It will be identical to the U.S. Spec from the cat back, good news there!
4.) Performance figures won't be any different, hmm not sure if I believe that, especially with the answers prior
I stuck it to them abit and got 15minutes of Erm, Uhm, Ahhh, I don't know, I apologise... There is a real lack of knowledge,
1.) It's been moved for the steering column, (they would've had the same issue on the other side on a LHD as it is a V), it isn't the steering Column it's something else but they don't know
2.) they have tested the new manifold and say the torque curve isn't affected... But at the top of the rpm range you lose abit more, BUT get this! So how many cars have Ben tested not all cars come out the factory the same? Well they don't know...
3.) It will be identical to the U.S. Spec from the cat back, good news there!
4.) Performance figures won't be any different, hmm not sure if I believe that, especially with the answers prior
I stuck it to them abit and got 15minutes of Erm, Uhm, Ahhh, I don't know, I apologise... There is a real lack of knowledge,
Quinny said:
ering column, didn't fit with the exhaust manifold, or the exhaust manifold was in the way of the new RHD Steering......
In this age of computer design etc, I would have thought all this would have been established ages ago....
But clearance is only half the story. Despite modelling in CAD, when you build it you may find that the bits fit, but then heatwash from the manifold cooks the column. Given the steering is electronically adjustable, conduction down said column could then fry the electronics etc.In this age of computer design etc, I would have thought all this would have been established ages ago....
I expect that whilst lots of testing will have been done on the LHD, there will undoubtedly be a few 'tweaks' required for RHD. This is one.
At least they've been upfront about it.
Stig said:
At least they've been upfront about it.
Yep...can't knock em for that
The other thing of note, is the "12 weeks" delivery from leaving the plant..... 3 months seems a bit ott once the ship is on the water..
I'm hoping this is worst case scenario and things will improve, once things get moving.
Well so much for all modern cars being thoroughly tested. CAD should have prevented any clearance issues and surely they have some kind of heat-sink model to ensure vulnerable components are shielded or positioned away from potentially damaging heat sources? ..... maybe they used the same heat model that Ferrari used when deciding on the glue for the rear inner wheel-arches on the 458!
So a 5bhp reduction doesn't make a difference? ..... finding that hard to believe. If it doesn't make a difference, why is it there in the first place? Do you think the 1% reduction in power will be offset by a £500 (1%) price reduction?
So a 5bhp reduction doesn't make a difference? ..... finding that hard to believe. If it doesn't make a difference, why is it there in the first place? Do you think the 1% reduction in power will be offset by a £500 (1%) price reduction?
sumpoil said:
Well so much for all modern cars being thoroughly tested. CAD should have prevented any clearance issues and surely they have some kind of heat-sink model to ensure vulnerable components are shielded or positioned away from potentially damaging heat sources? ..... maybe they used the same heat model that Ferrari used when deciding on the glue for the rear inner wheel-arches on the 458!
So a 5bhp reduction doesn't make a difference? ..... finding that hard to believe. If it doesn't make a difference, why is it there in the first place? Do you think the 1% reduction in power will be offset by a £500 (1%) price reduction?
Ok - more accurately, 5bhp doesn't make a difference 'to me'.So a 5bhp reduction doesn't make a difference? ..... finding that hard to believe. If it doesn't make a difference, why is it there in the first place? Do you think the 1% reduction in power will be offset by a £500 (1%) price reduction?
If you can tell the difference in a car already producing more than 410bhp, then you should probably give Ron Dennis a call
Besides, mass produced cars aren't exactly known for 100% accurate in terms of stated output. I expect there's around that variance between the engines coming off the line.
Good luck getting your £500 back - let us know how you get on
Stig,
5BHP is enough, you will feel it, especially on drivability and responsiveness along the curve, to get the best manifold it is an exact science and mathematical equation, you can notice 1BHP quite easily, also 5BHP is quite a lot considering it's now 25BHP lower than the U.S. car as they have just received a 10BHP increase, people have a reason to be angry as they have signed up to something and now ford are changing it mid contract,
As for you comment not every car comes out equal I agree, however what you may not appreciate is that no one seems too know how many cars it has been tested on... Where have these figures come from... No one knows
Thus! You get a good performing engine with the new manifold, not such an issue, you then compare that to a poor engine with the U.S. Manifolds and its 5BHP, how reliable are these figures and are they representative of the cars we will receive
5BHP is enough, you will feel it, especially on drivability and responsiveness along the curve, to get the best manifold it is an exact science and mathematical equation, you can notice 1BHP quite easily, also 5BHP is quite a lot considering it's now 25BHP lower than the U.S. car as they have just received a 10BHP increase, people have a reason to be angry as they have signed up to something and now ford are changing it mid contract,
As for you comment not every car comes out equal I agree, however what you may not appreciate is that no one seems too know how many cars it has been tested on... Where have these figures come from... No one knows
Thus! You get a good performing engine with the new manifold, not such an issue, you then compare that to a poor engine with the U.S. Manifolds and its 5BHP, how reliable are these figures and are they representative of the cars we will receive
Received my letter yesterday as well . This has just added another question of doubt in my mind , having serious doubts this morning about pulling my order and importing one myself !! Going stateside in a month , going straight to a ford dealership to ask a few questions !! Might even have a look at the camaros if there's any to view ?
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