Did you ever regret getting that 748?
Discussion
RC1 said:
interesting responses!
head says stick with a jap bike and id rather have an r1 but ive always wondered what the dukes are like (perhaps because i had a cagiva mito in the early days....)
preference for an 01 or 02 S and its the 748 and not the 996 due to budget
im not the most accomplished rider so not bothered about chasing lap times so happy to settle for a bike with outdated tech by todays standards
As long as you can get one for decent money and stay on top of the servicing you should be able to get decent money for it when you sell it. I'd say go for it and move it on if you don't like it. I've done that with a few bikes and some have been pretty awful and some have been pretty good and a couple have been amazing. You won't find the amazing ones without trying a few out. Buying a bike is very much like...head says stick with a jap bike and id rather have an r1 but ive always wondered what the dukes are like (perhaps because i had a cagiva mito in the early days....)
preference for an 01 or 02 S and its the 748 and not the 996 due to budget
im not the most accomplished rider so not bothered about chasing lap times so happy to settle for a bike with outdated tech by todays standards
Personally I wouldn't touch a 748. You have all of the running costs and draw backs of the 916/996, but few of the advantages. It's also harder to find nice ones as most were bought by owners on more of a budget and are a lower value bike.
The fact is that a 748 is around 190kg dry, or around 35kg heavier than a modern 600. They put out about 85bhp (non SP/R/SPS model) and have none of the gobs of torque of the 916/996. In summary, slow (circa 1990 sports 600 pace), uncomfortable, expensive to run and difficult to find good ones.
As BassGT3 said, buy late models, with lots of history and go for a 996 if looking for that shape with decent value for money. It should also be a better investment than a 748. I never regretted my 996S and it always put a smile on my face right up to the point that the riding position became too painful for me and I decided to trade it for an 1198.
The fact is that a 748 is around 190kg dry, or around 35kg heavier than a modern 600. They put out about 85bhp (non SP/R/SPS model) and have none of the gobs of torque of the 916/996. In summary, slow (circa 1990 sports 600 pace), uncomfortable, expensive to run and difficult to find good ones.
As BassGT3 said, buy late models, with lots of history and go for a 996 if looking for that shape with decent value for money. It should also be a better investment than a 748. I never regretted my 996S and it always put a smile on my face right up to the point that the riding position became too painful for me and I decided to trade it for an 1198.
RC1 said:
interesting responses!
head says stick with a jap bike and id rather have an r1 but ive always wondered what the dukes are like (perhaps because i had a cagiva mito in the early days....)
preference for an 01 or 02 S and its the 748 and not the 996 due to budget
im not the most accomplished rider so not bothered about chasing lap times so happy to settle for a bike with outdated tech by todays standards
Go for a 916 or 996 Duke, they sound awesome and are fun to ride. If the engine blows you can treat it as a piece of modern art and stick it in the house.head says stick with a jap bike and id rather have an r1 but ive always wondered what the dukes are like (perhaps because i had a cagiva mito in the early days....)
preference for an 01 or 02 S and its the 748 and not the 996 due to budget
im not the most accomplished rider so not bothered about chasing lap times so happy to settle for a bike with outdated tech by todays standards
Don't always go with the head, you might think BMW was a reliable manufacturer but a certain Loon would probably disagree. :-)
A couple of months ago I was also looking to buy a 748 just on looks alone but I was disappointed by the figures and I went out and bought an R1 instead. On paper they just didn't stack up and I was being told that they were disappointing to ride so I didn't even bother looking at one in the end.
A 996R on the other hand though looks worth buying but they go for serious money.
A 996R on the other hand though looks worth buying but they go for serious money.
black-k1 said:
LoonR1 said:
bass gt3 said:
So why ask the question in the first place??
The real question is whether you know what you're looking at re the 748 to 998 series. And why a 748 In particular?? Unless it's an R or at the very least an SPS they just aren't that special. In fact they can be a serious money pit once you get going. And as said above, they're hitting 20 years old so get ready for troubles.
The best advise if you really do want that iconic shape is to get the best bike or latest bike you possibly can with reams of documentation from a reputable workshop. Even then you might need to adjust your thoughts on what you call a sufficient slush fund...
Boom. Never fails to amaze me how many times people ask a question when they've already decided and are just looking for a group of us to start cooing and masturbating over their choice. I on obviously won't, as I don't think much of Doocardees The real question is whether you know what you're looking at re the 748 to 998 series. And why a 748 In particular?? Unless it's an R or at the very least an SPS they just aren't that special. In fact they can be a serious money pit once you get going. And as said above, they're hitting 20 years old so get ready for troubles.
The best advise if you really do want that iconic shape is to get the best bike or latest bike you possibly can with reams of documentation from a reputable workshop. Even then you might need to adjust your thoughts on what you call a sufficient slush fund...
slevin911 said:
black-k1 said:
LoonR1 said:
bass gt3 said:
So why ask the question in the first place??
The real question is whether you know what you're looking at re the 748 to 998 series. And why a 748 In particular?? Unless it's an R or at the very least an SPS they just aren't that special. In fact they can be a serious money pit once you get going. And as said above, they're hitting 20 years old so get ready for troubles.
The best advise if you really do want that iconic shape is to get the best bike or latest bike you possibly can with reams of documentation from a reputable workshop. Even then you might need to adjust your thoughts on what you call a sufficient slush fund...
Boom. Never fails to amaze me how many times people ask a question when they've already decided and are just looking for a group of us to start cooing and masturbating over their choice. I on obviously won't, as I don't think much of Doocardees The real question is whether you know what you're looking at re the 748 to 998 series. And why a 748 In particular?? Unless it's an R or at the very least an SPS they just aren't that special. In fact they can be a serious money pit once you get going. And as said above, they're hitting 20 years old so get ready for troubles.
The best advise if you really do want that iconic shape is to get the best bike or latest bike you possibly can with reams of documentation from a reputable workshop. Even then you might need to adjust your thoughts on what you call a sufficient slush fund...
There are some arrogant tits on this forum
Had these a few years ago - on left low miles 996r which i had a share in - in middle - 748r trackbike with 1098 forks/big brakes and on right - 853r - 20 or 25kgs lighter with mag swing arm/yokes - carbon everything including tank (never again - leaked continually) with hot motor with 128@wheel. all gone now - 853 is one i regret selling and would buy back if i could - combined revvy characteristics of 748 with more accessible low down grunt of 996's and had bits on it which transformed riding experience. Mine were reliable contrary to popular opinion - only needed belts and 853 needed a rocker replacing - not that surprising as it ran 748rs cams which were quite aggressive. Good thing about riding one - is that if you subsequently ever buy a modern sportsbike with a supposedly extreme riding position - you will find any bike after 748/916/996/998 - feel like an armchair.
hwajones said:
slevin911 said:
black-k1 said:
LoonR1 said:
bass gt3 said:
So why ask the question in the first place??
The real question is whether you know what you're looking at re the 748 to 998 series. And why a 748 In particular?? Unless it's an R or at the very least an SPS they just aren't that special. In fact they can be a serious money pit once you get going. And as said above, they're hitting 20 years old so get ready for troubles.
The best advise if you really do want that iconic shape is to get the best bike or latest bike you possibly can with reams of documentation from a reputable workshop. Even then you might need to adjust your thoughts on what you call a sufficient slush fund...
Boom. Never fails to amaze me how many times people ask a question when they've already decided and are just looking for a group of us to start cooing and masturbating over their choice. I on obviously won't, as I don't think much of Doocardees The real question is whether you know what you're looking at re the 748 to 998 series. And why a 748 In particular?? Unless it's an R or at the very least an SPS they just aren't that special. In fact they can be a serious money pit once you get going. And as said above, they're hitting 20 years old so get ready for troubles.
The best advise if you really do want that iconic shape is to get the best bike or latest bike you possibly can with reams of documentation from a reputable workshop. Even then you might need to adjust your thoughts on what you call a sufficient slush fund...
There are some arrogant tits on this forum
ks.Renn Sport said:
hwajones said:
slevin911 said:
black-k1 said:
LoonR1 said:
bass gt3 said:
So why ask the question in the first place??
The real question is whether you know what you're looking at re the 748 to 998 series. And why a 748 In particular?? Unless it's an R or at the very least an SPS they just aren't that special. In fact they can be a serious money pit once you get going. And as said above, they're hitting 20 years old so get ready for troubles.
The best advise if you really do want that iconic shape is to get the best bike or latest bike you possibly can with reams of documentation from a reputable workshop. Even then you might need to adjust your thoughts on what you call a sufficient slush fund...
Boom. Never fails to amaze me how many times people ask a question when they've already decided and are just looking for a group of us to start cooing and masturbating over their choice. I on obviously won't, as I don't think much of Doocardees The real question is whether you know what you're looking at re the 748 to 998 series. And why a 748 In particular?? Unless it's an R or at the very least an SPS they just aren't that special. In fact they can be a serious money pit once you get going. And as said above, they're hitting 20 years old so get ready for troubles.
The best advise if you really do want that iconic shape is to get the best bike or latest bike you possibly can with reams of documentation from a reputable workshop. Even then you might need to adjust your thoughts on what you call a sufficient slush fund...
There are some arrogant tits on this forum
ks.Who's the real tits?
So all of you come to a thread with zero to offer the OP in regards to his original question but rather to take pops at those who have albeit perhaps not what the OP wanted to hear or didn't align with his already made up mind.......
Now go read the WHOLE thread again and see the comments from those who actually have experience or knowledge relevant to the OP.
Mob bravery... you're f
king pathetic.Edited by bass gt3 on Friday 28th August 11:14
bass gt3 said:
Renn Sport said:
hwajones said:
slevin911 said:
black-k1 said:
LoonR1 said:
bass gt3 said:
So why ask the question in the first place??
The real question is whether you know what you're looking at re the 748 to 998 series. And why a 748 In particular?? Unless it's an R or at the very least an SPS they just aren't that special. In fact they can be a serious money pit once you get going. And as said above, they're hitting 20 years old so get ready for troubles.
The best advise if you really do want that iconic shape is to get the best bike or latest bike you possibly can with reams of documentation from a reputable workshop. Even then you might need to adjust your thoughts on what you call a sufficient slush fund...
Boom. Never fails to amaze me how many times people ask a question when they've already decided and are just looking for a group of us to start cooing and masturbating over their choice. I on obviously won't, as I don't think much of Doocardees The real question is whether you know what you're looking at re the 748 to 998 series. And why a 748 In particular?? Unless it's an R or at the very least an SPS they just aren't that special. In fact they can be a serious money pit once you get going. And as said above, they're hitting 20 years old so get ready for troubles.
The best advise if you really do want that iconic shape is to get the best bike or latest bike you possibly can with reams of documentation from a reputable workshop. Even then you might need to adjust your thoughts on what you call a sufficient slush fund...
There are some arrogant tits on this forum
ks.Who's the real tits?
So all of you come to a thread with zero to offer the OP in regards to his original question but rather to take pops at those who have albeit perhaps not what the OP wanted to hear or didn't align with his already made up mind.......
Now go read the WHOLE thread again and see the comments from those who actually have experience or knowledge relevant to the OP.
Mob bravery... you're f
king pathetic.Edited by bass gt3 on Friday 28th August 11:14
When I was a lad, I was always told that manners are free, but are also priceless!
black-k1 said:
No one has any issue with the real advice that has been given, only the delivery of some of the additional (non-advice) comments.
When I was a lad, I was always told that manners are free, but are also priceless!
Not sure exactly what you're on about. When I was a lad, I was always told that manners are free, but are also priceless!
Op asks question.
OP gets answer.
OP retorts with previously decided opinion.
OP is asked why ask original question.
OP gets more answers but predominately not what the OP was wanting to hear.
People get upset because of what?.
More people post yet add no value or worthwhile opinion
So what you're actually upset about is that the answer to the OP wasn't YES.
And totally agree about manners, but there's also the old axiom of "if you have nothing decent to say, say nothing"
So please, feel free to add some value to the discussion...
bass gt3 said:
black-k1 said:
No one has any issue with the real advice that has been given, only the delivery of some of the additional (non-advice) comments.
When I was a lad, I was always told that manners are free, but are also priceless!
Not sure exactly what you're on about. When I was a lad, I was always told that manners are free, but are also priceless!
Op asks question.
OP gets answer.
OP retorts with previously decided opinion.
OP is asked why ask original question.
OP gets more answers but predominately not what the OP was wanting to hear.
People get upset because of what?.
More people post yet add no value or worthwhile opinion
So what you're actually upset about is that the answer to the OP wasn't YES.
And totally agree about manners, but there's also the old axiom of "if you have nothing decent to say, say nothing"
So please, feel free to add some value to the discussion...
You wrote what you thought (appears to me like good advice ) but in a way that read as condescending. (Probably the way I read it, but I obviously am not alone). Not anywhere near the same league of rudeness as Loon I'll grant you but not very welcoming to someone returning to biking and a newish poster to PH BB.
I mostly do say nothing when I have nothing to say but I feel that, as I enjoy frequenting this forum, it's going down hill and I don't want that to happen. While my post was not specifically in response to the OPs question, it was directly related to specific posts in this thread.
Had a 2002 748S in titanium grey with red wheels, termi pipes etc etc.
Loved the bike and did > 5000 miles the first year I had it.
Started doing less and less over the years though.
Do I regret getting it? No.
Do I regret selling it? No.
If I was still doing a load of miles then I'd perhaps still have it but these things need servicing no matter what mileage you do and I wasn't doing enough miles to justify the costs.
They're a specialist machine and respond best to being used.
Loved the bike and did > 5000 miles the first year I had it.
Started doing less and less over the years though.
Do I regret getting it? No.
Do I regret selling it? No.
If I was still doing a load of miles then I'd perhaps still have it but these things need servicing no matter what mileage you do and I wasn't doing enough miles to justify the costs.
They're a specialist machine and respond best to being used.
bass gt3 said:
Renn Sport said:
hwajones said:
slevin911 said:
black-k1 said:
LoonR1 said:
bass gt3 said:
So why ask the question in the first place??
The real question is whether you know what you're looking at re the 748 to 998 series. And why a 748 In particular?? Unless it's an R or at the very least an SPS they just aren't that special. In fact they can be a serious money pit once you get going. And as said above, they're hitting 20 years old so get ready for troubles.
The best advise if you really do want that iconic shape is to get the best bike or latest bike you possibly can with reams of documentation from a reputable workshop. Even then you might need to adjust your thoughts on what you call a sufficient slush fund...
Boom. Never fails to amaze me how many times people ask a question when they've already decided and are just looking for a group of us to start cooing and masturbating over their choice. I on obviously won't, as I don't think much of Doocardees The real question is whether you know what you're looking at re the 748 to 998 series. And why a 748 In particular?? Unless it's an R or at the very least an SPS they just aren't that special. In fact they can be a serious money pit once you get going. And as said above, they're hitting 20 years old so get ready for troubles.
The best advise if you really do want that iconic shape is to get the best bike or latest bike you possibly can with reams of documentation from a reputable workshop. Even then you might need to adjust your thoughts on what you call a sufficient slush fund...
There are some arrogant tits on this forum
ks.Who's the real tits?
So all of you come to a thread with zero to offer the OP in regards to his original question but rather to take pops at those who have albeit perhaps not what the OP wanted to hear or didn't align with his already made up mind.......
Now go read the WHOLE thread again and see the comments from those who actually have experience or knowledge relevant to the OP.
Mob bravery... you're f
king pathetic.Edited by bass gt3 on Friday 28th August 11:14
holes for no reason is fking pathetic. Just because a few of us agree politness costs nothing doesnt define a mob mentality. Its a consensus.A few of us a tired of this bulls
t. If you dont have something nice to say or positive then why bother?We all know the OP is into this model of bike and was looking for reassurance. We got side tracked by the curt s
tty remarks and some of us dont like this in the forum anymore, its making a great forum st.black-k1 said:
I'm not upset about anything and I don't care if the OP got the answer he wanted/was expecting or not. I think he got an answer which, in general, was considered and backed up with experience.
You wrote what you thought (appears to me like good advice ) but in a way that read as condescending. (Probably the way I read it, but I obviously am not alone). Not anywhere near the same league of rudeness as Loon I'll grant you but not very welcoming to someone returning to biking and a newish poster to PH BB.
I mostly do say nothing when I have nothing to say but I feel that, as I enjoy frequenting this forum, it's going down hill and I don't want that to happen. While my post was not specifically in response to the OPs question, it was directly related to specific posts in this thread.
I'd disagree with the condescending tone but grant there was an air of exasperation. Why come here and ask a question, only to begin refuting the answer you are receiving because they don't agree with what the OP has actually already decided?You wrote what you thought (appears to me like good advice ) but in a way that read as condescending. (Probably the way I read it, but I obviously am not alone). Not anywhere near the same league of rudeness as Loon I'll grant you but not very welcoming to someone returning to biking and a newish poster to PH BB.
I mostly do say nothing when I have nothing to say but I feel that, as I enjoy frequenting this forum, it's going down hill and I don't want that to happen. While my post was not specifically in response to the OPs question, it was directly related to specific posts in this thread.
And by your initial response, we should actually just pander to such posters? Better to not possibly provide a non conforming answer than risk upsetting? Seriously?
If I asked you a question, I would hope you would have the chops to give me an honest and reasoned answer based on YOUR experience ( why I asked) rather than tip toe around because you might have an answer I'm not wanting to hear...
I've got a 996 and have had it for a couple of years. As others have said a 996 is the bargain of the bunch and if possible you really should try for one over a 748.
I'm a short arse so don't find it uncomfortable and with regards to it's speed it's the same as most bikes, fast enough to keep up with anything on the road and it's only the nutters on the 1000cc bikes that get away on the road. Different matter on track though.
Mine has been completely reliable so far with only a belt service (recommended every 2 years and not as cheap as cam chain type so expect some money to disappear there) seems to be that the more they are used the more reliable they are, either because all the problems have been sorted or the lack of use causes it's own problems. Mines at 30K miles.
I'm a short arse so don't find it uncomfortable and with regards to it's speed it's the same as most bikes, fast enough to keep up with anything on the road and it's only the nutters on the 1000cc bikes that get away on the road. Different matter on track though.
Mine has been completely reliable so far with only a belt service (recommended every 2 years and not as cheap as cam chain type so expect some money to disappear there) seems to be that the more they are used the more reliable they are, either because all the problems have been sorted or the lack of use causes it's own problems. Mines at 30K miles.
Edited by daimatt on Friday 28th August 16:27
RC1 said:
So apart from the fact it's not a 996/916 etc did you wish you'd never bought one?
Am considering getting back onto 2 wheels after getting rid of an r6 7 years back and now hankeri g for something with more character and drama.
Will likely be a garage queen with fair weather Sunday miles plus the obligatory starts and mini runs in the off season just to keep things oiled etc
OP - the older generation Ducati's from my expirience require a bit more TLC then you average japanese equivalent. So you need to factor this in.Am considering getting back onto 2 wheels after getting rid of an r6 7 years back and now hankeri g for something with more character and drama.
Will likely be a garage queen with fair weather Sunday miles plus the obligatory starts and mini runs in the off season just to keep things oiled etc
Also the riding position of this bike is typical Ducati of the era and is aggresive to say the least. So sit on one and ride it if you can because a friend of mine couldnt get on with his.
Also these bikes are getting long in the tooth... my mate broke his engine on his low milage 748 in Germany last year. He since swapped the engine for a the bigger 996 motor. He now thinks he should have always bought the 996 in the first place.
Its an iconic shape and I think its one of the bikes that you need to own and expirience. If it floats your boat then go for it. Even if you sell it after year at leats its ticked off your list?
Best of luck.
bass gt3 said:
black-k1 said:
I'm not upset about anything and I don't care if the OP got the answer he wanted/was expecting or not. I think he got an answer which, in general, was considered and backed up with experience.
You wrote what you thought (appears to me like good advice ) but in a way that read as condescending. (Probably the way I read it, but I obviously am not alone). Not anywhere near the same league of rudeness as Loon I'll grant you but not very welcoming to someone returning to biking and a newish poster to PH BB.
I mostly do say nothing when I have nothing to say but I feel that, as I enjoy frequenting this forum, it's going down hill and I don't want that to happen. While my post was not specifically in response to the OPs question, it was directly related to specific posts in this thread.
I'd disagree with the condescending tone but grant there was an air of exasperation. Why come here and ask a question, only to begin refuting the answer you are receiving because they don't agree with what the OP has actually already decided?You wrote what you thought (appears to me like good advice ) but in a way that read as condescending. (Probably the way I read it, but I obviously am not alone). Not anywhere near the same league of rudeness as Loon I'll grant you but not very welcoming to someone returning to biking and a newish poster to PH BB.
I mostly do say nothing when I have nothing to say but I feel that, as I enjoy frequenting this forum, it's going down hill and I don't want that to happen. While my post was not specifically in response to the OPs question, it was directly related to specific posts in this thread.
And by your initial response, we should actually just pander to such posters? Better to not possibly provide a non conforming answer than risk upsetting? Seriously?
If I asked you a question, I would hope you would have the chops to give me an honest and reasoned answer based on YOUR experience ( why I asked) rather than tip toe around because you might have an answer I'm not wanting to hear...
) on the expected answer, if only to "test" my position by getting other peoples views. I see disagreement and discussion as healthy, and a way to sort out advice based on experience rather than advice based on gut feel and prejudice. I wouldn't want people to tip toe around an answer but disagreements and objections can easily be worded in a way that is (hopefully) not interpreted as rude.If the OP proves to be a troll, then I have no problem with short (blunt) responses if any response is given at all.
black-k1 said:
bass gt3 said:
black-k1 said:
I'm not upset about anything and I don't care if the OP got the answer he wanted/was expecting or not. I think he got an answer which, in general, was considered and backed up with experience.
You wrote what you thought (appears to me like good advice ) but in a way that read as condescending. (Probably the way I read it, but I obviously am not alone). Not anywhere near the same league of rudeness as Loon I'll grant you but not very welcoming to someone returning to biking and a newish poster to PH BB.
I mostly do say nothing when I have nothing to say but I feel that, as I enjoy frequenting this forum, it's going down hill and I don't want that to happen. While my post was not specifically in response to the OPs question, it was directly related to specific posts in this thread.
I'd disagree with the condescending tone but grant there was an air of exasperation. Why come here and ask a question, only to begin refuting the answer you are receiving because they don't agree with what the OP has actually already decided?You wrote what you thought (appears to me like good advice ) but in a way that read as condescending. (Probably the way I read it, but I obviously am not alone). Not anywhere near the same league of rudeness as Loon I'll grant you but not very welcoming to someone returning to biking and a newish poster to PH BB.
I mostly do say nothing when I have nothing to say but I feel that, as I enjoy frequenting this forum, it's going down hill and I don't want that to happen. While my post was not specifically in response to the OPs question, it was directly related to specific posts in this thread.
And by your initial response, we should actually just pander to such posters? Better to not possibly provide a non conforming answer than risk upsetting? Seriously?
If I asked you a question, I would hope you would have the chops to give me an honest and reasoned answer based on YOUR experience ( why I asked) rather than tip toe around because you might have an answer I'm not wanting to hear...
) on the expected answer, if only to "test" my position by getting other peoples views. I see disagreement and discussion as healthy, and a way to sort out advice based on experience rather than advice based on gut feel and prejudice. I wouldn't want people to tip toe around an answer but disagreements and objections can easily be worded in a way that is (hopefully) not interpreted as rude.If the OP proves to be a troll, then I have no problem with short (blunt) responses if any response is given at all.
When a newbie arrives and asks a question, and then sets about refuting the requested responses, nah
Remember the golden rule... EVERYONE is a prat until proven otherwise....
bass gt3 said:
But you have provenance here, so get treated accordingly.
When a newbie arrives and asks a question, and then sets about refuting the requested responses, nah
Remember the golden rule... EVERYONE is a prat until proven otherwise....
I promise you I didn't develop my opinionated views after I had been on here for some time!!! When a newbie arrives and asks a question, and then sets about refuting the requested responses, nah
Remember the golden rule... EVERYONE is a prat until proven otherwise....
While I agree that EVERYONE is a prat until proven otherwise, I like to treat them as though they are not, at least until they demonstrate just how big a prat they actually are!
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