RE: 250 orders for new TVR

[AdamAJP]

I'm excited about this for a number of reasons:
- the "brand equity" for want of a better term that exists in the partners in this venture
- the "brand equity" that exists in the TVR name and the enthusiasm of the owners, a number of whom have several
- the huge learning that has taken place in the TVR community including specialist garages (we had to learn how to fix/improve them
- the very British tendancy to support the underdog (financially - not in vehicle performance terms)
- I'm a bit of a TVR nut (hence username) having finally purchased one (after over a decade of dreaming)
- Amazingly TVR have (to my eyes) only ever produced good looking cars (timelessly so - agian to my eyes). They have done this on a shoestring!

Very best of luck to them - i will be watching with interest and some pride I must say

[Milky400]

RoverP6B said:

250 orders for a plastic kitcar with a rebadged Ford engine that may or may not ever even be built... supposedly designed by Gordon Murray, but what has he ever actually brought to market, as opposed to prototyped, 'released' amid a cloud of hot air, only for it to quietly disappear shortly afterwards because nobody really wanted to know? He has precisely one notably successful design to his name...

Here we go again.... You really are rather special

[ORD]

Milky400 said:

RoverP6B said:

250 orders for a plastic kitcar with a rebadged Ford engine that may or may not ever even be built... supposedly designed by Gordon Murray, but what has he ever actually brought to market, as opposed to prototyped, 'released' amid a cloud of hot air, only for it to quietly disappear shortly afterwards because nobody really wanted to know? He has precisely one notably successful design to his name...

Here we go again.... You really are rather special

I think it looks pretty bloody awesome. Unlikely, but awesome!

The "Ford engine" in question is a bloody peach, apparently, and is going to be fettled by Cosworth. It sounds likely to be a damn sight better than a lot of engines that people wet their knickers about on here.

[GetCarter]

ORD said:

Milky400 said:

RoverP6B said:

250 orders for a plastic kitcar with a rebadged Ford engine that may or may not ever even be built... supposedly designed by Gordon Murray, but what has he ever actually brought to market, as opposed to prototyped, 'released' amid a cloud of hot air, only for it to quietly disappear shortly afterwards because nobody really wanted to know? He has precisely one notably successful design to his name...

Here we go again.... You really are rather special

I think it looks pretty bloody awesome. Unlikely, but awesome!

The "Ford engine" in question is a bloody peach, apparently, and is going to be fettled by Cosworth. It sounds likely to be a damn sight better than a lot of engines that people wet their knickers about on here.

Yep it's Cosworth and having talked to Gordon (name drop, sorry... he's a mate), it really does look like it'll happen. He'll not be doing the styling however, so any 'mock ups' we see now are speculation.

As for him not bringing cars to market.. (tut) well apart from the F1 there was a Merc SLR McLaren if you remember, oh, and the Rocket, and the three cars he's working on at the moment... and that's after 20 years in Formula 1 with four constructors championships, including designiong the winning cars for Senna and Prost. Not too shabby a CV in my opinion.

Edited by GetCarter on Friday 28th August 13:32

[madbadger]

GetCarter said:

ORD said:

Milky400 said:

RoverP6B said:

250 orders for a plastic kitcar with a rebadged Ford engine that may or may not ever even be built... supposedly designed by Gordon Murray, but what has he ever actually brought to market, as opposed to prototyped, 'released' amid a cloud of hot air, only for it to quietly disappear shortly afterwards because nobody really wanted to know? He has precisely one notably successful design to his name...

Here we go again.... You really are rather special

I think it looks pretty bloody awesome. Unlikely, but awesome!

The "Ford engine" in question is a bloody peach, apparently, and is going to be fettled by Cosworth. It sounds likely to be a damn sight better than a lot of engines that people wet their knickers about on here.

Yep it's Cosworth and having talked to Gordon (name drop, sorry... he's a mate), it really does look like it'll happen. He'll not be doing the styling however, so any 'mock ups' we see now are speculation.

As for him not bringing cars to market.. (tut) well apart from the F1 there was a Merc SLR McLaren if you remember, oh, and the Rocket, and the three cars he's working on at the moment... and that's after 20 years in Formula 1 with four constructors championships, including Senna and Prost. Not too shabby a CV in my opinion.

There are few places in the world where Gordon Murrays CV would be criticised. Not really surprising that 2015 era PH is one of them.

[HarryW]

madbadger said:

GetCarter said:

ORD said:

Milky400 said:

RoverP6B said:

250 orders for a plastic kitcar with a rebadged Ford engine that may or may not ever even be built... supposedly designed by Gordon Murray, but what has he ever actually brought to market, as opposed to prototyped, 'released' amid a cloud of hot air, only for it to quietly disappear shortly afterwards because nobody really wanted to know? He has precisely one notably successful design to his name...

Here we go again.... You really are rather special

I think it looks pretty bloody awesome. Unlikely, but awesome!

The "Ford engine" in question is a bloody peach, apparently, and is going to be fettled by Cosworth. It sounds likely to be a damn sight better than a lot of engines that people wet their knickers about on here.

Yep it's Cosworth and having talked to Gordon (name drop, sorry... he's a mate), it really does look like it'll happen. He'll not be doing the styling however, so any 'mock ups' we see now are speculation.

As for him not bringing cars to market.. (tut) well apart from the F1 there was a Merc SLR McLaren if you remember, oh, and the Rocket, and the three cars he's working on at the moment... and that's after 20 years in Formula 1 with four constructors championships, including Senna and Prost. Not too shabby a CV in my opinion.

There are few places in the world where Gordon Murrays CV would be criticised. Not really surprising that 2015 era PH is one of them.

Strange isn't it, only on PH.
I'd go as far as saying it's not criticising his CV, but questioning it.... You could probably count on the fingers of one hand, after having had a coming together with a guillotine, the people in the world of car design who have the qualified opinion to do that with any credibility.

[Milky400]

Im certainly not critising the likes of Les and Gordon along with Cosworth. I just get fed up of certain PH peoples attitude, the know it all's, that know far more than those involved in the project.

[vixen1700]

Looking forward to seeing my favourite ever make of car back on the roads.

[Camoradi]

RoverP6B said:

250 orders for a plastic kitcar with a rebadged Ford engine that may or may not ever even be built... supposedly designed by Gordon Murray, but what has he ever actually brought to market, as opposed to prototyped, 'released' amid a cloud of hot air, only for it to quietly disappear shortly afterwards because nobody really wanted to know? He has precisely one notably successful design to his name...

A bit like that Michealangelo fella. One ceiling he painted in 11 years. One ceiling! World's sttest decorator




I think it's excellent news.

[KTF]

GetCarter said:

Yep it's Cosworth and having talked to Gordon (name drop, sorry... he's a mate), it really does look like it'll happen. He'll not be doing the styling however, so any 'mock ups' we see now are speculation.

What is his involvement in the project then? The i-stream manufacturing process?

[GranCab]

Gordon will be sawing to length and deburring the box-section mild steel for the "chassis" ....

[GetCarter]

KTF said:

GetCarter said:

Yep it's Cosworth and having talked to Gordon (name drop, sorry... he's a mate), it really does look like it'll happen. He'll not be doing the styling however, so any 'mock ups' we see now are speculation.

What is his involvement in the project then? The i-stream manufacturing process?

No. And out of interest, there are other much more interesting things that he is currently doing. The iStream was supposed to be finished years ago... Multi nationals are a very slow process to deal with.

[J4CKO]

I cant believe all the sneering and scepticism, "Plastic kit car with a Ford engine", yeah because Ford make crap engines and fibreglass is just used to make shonky Kit Cars.


It makes complete sense to use a supply of readily available well developed engines with a bit of extra spice provided by Cosworth, its what TVR did in the past.

I wish them well and can we stop deriding our own industry, I think the time is right and this is going to work, I am hoping that its a worldwide hit, a tonne a bit of drop dead stunning body with a dirty great V8 with 500 bhp or so, and some electronics so I dont poo myself too often, magic

[KTF]

GetCarter said:

No. And out of interest, there are other much more interesting things that he is currently doing. The iStream was supposed to be finished years ago... Multi nationals are a very slow process to deal with.

So if he is not doing the design (unless Cosworth do design now) nor are they using his i-stream process, they should update their website:

TVR said:

The company, which boasts an outstanding new management team, has developed the new car in collaboration with Gordon Murray Design and Cosworth, each providing much of the core design and engineering capability for the all-new TVR.

TVR said:

Gordon Murray, Chairman of Gordon Murray Design comments: “TVR is an iconic brand which has been an important part of British sports car manufacturing for many decades. Its return to manufacturing is an exciting development and the car deserves the best chassis and powertrain that can possibly be delivered. To that end, I am delighted that our company is involved with the project, and that TVR are using our iStream® technology.”

Soutce: http://tvr.co.uk/noise/newcar

[GetCarter]

KTF said:

GetCarter said:

No. And out of interest, there are other much more interesting things that he is currently doing. The iStream was supposed to be finished years ago... Multi nationals are a very slow process to deal with.

So if he is not doing the design (unless Cosworth do design now) nor are they using his i-stream process, they should update their website:

TVR said:

The company, which boasts an outstanding new management team, has developed the new car in collaboration with Gordon Murray Design and Cosworth, each providing much of the core design and engineering capability for the all-new TVR.

TVR said:

Gordon Murray, Chairman of Gordon Murray Design comments: “TVR is an iconic brand which has been an important part of British sports car manufacturing for many decades. Its return to manufacturing is an exciting development and the car deserves the best chassis and powertrain that can possibly be delivered. To that end, I am delighted that our company is involved with the project, and that TVR are using our iStream® technology.”

Soutce: http://tvr.co.uk/noise/newcar

I didn't say he wasn't doing the design, which he is, I said he wasn't doing the styling. I see what you are getting at. The iStream is a process that can move from design to design. It's a way of working and producing. Not a project in itself. His involvement is from top to tail. He will be the main designer.

Edited by GetCarter on Friday 28th August 15:08

[GetCarter]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

See my post above. Not JUST iStream.

[GetCarter]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I was asked if his involvement will be iStream. The answer is no. It will be more than that.

HTH

[KTF]

I wish I hadn't asked the question now

[El Guapo]

Do you chaps honestly believe that new (currently unspecified) TVRs will be leaving the (currently non-existent) TVR factory for delivery via the (yet to be established) TVR dealer network in 2017 or even 2018?
Please listen carefully: It's not going to happen.

[dvs_dave]

RoverP6B said:

250 orders for a plastic kitcar with a rebadged Ford engine....blah blah blah

Trolling this topic again I see.

Are you hoping it goes better for you this time around, or something?