New Lidl car park system. Invoices by default?

New Lidl car park system. Invoices by default?

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bitchstewie

50,791 posts

209 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2015
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Hol said:
Yup,
They should (and would) be serving the customers who want to park and shop.
Not pandering to those who want to be pocket anarchists.

I do find it a little bit weird, that (knowing in advance that it is required) somebody would openly wish to pretend they don't know their registration number and waste their own free time - on the assumption that Lidl would be the ones disadvantaged.

Would you also go to the bank to pay in a cheque and queue for the cashier and then pretend you don't have the cheque with you - because that will teach the bank who is boss.
Quite. Lidl will give zero fks and you'll look like a tool when you come back in and find the world doesn't revolve around you and they've pushed your st to one side and carried on serving normal people.

It's odd and a little pathetic tbh.

Sometimes I think posters should specify their age because if that's what you turn into when you're older I'm fking off to Dignitas.

blueg33

35,589 posts

223 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2015
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Hol said:
blueg33 said:
I sometimes go into Lidl for about 15 minutes to look just in case they have something odd I may want to buy. There are always long queues at the till so if there is nothing I want to buy I just walk out. If this means I will get a ticket then I wont go there at all. So they won't get my custom on the odd occasion I fancy some random tat
I do that too. But I don't think it will stop me doing it, as it takes me 15mins to drive there 5mins extra in a queue is hardly going to be the end of the world as I know it. Especially, if I no longer have to wait over 5mins for a free space that isn't disabled.
There is always space in the car park at my local one, and I don't make a special trip, I pop in as I am going past

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Wednesday 2nd September 2015
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PAULJ5555 said:
Helicopter123 said:
I'm struggling to see the problem with this.

Lidl customers get to use a Lidl car park free of charge when shopping in Lidl?

Anyone else wishing to park in the Lidl private car park pays a fee?

Seems perfectly reasonable?
Will you please stop talking common sense.
Some people are too tight to pay for parking. It's sad, petty, and/or pathetic.

Red Devil

13,055 posts

207 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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speedyguy said:
Red Devil said:
Is your local hospital car park also managed by TPS? Not all PPCs have exactly the same arrangements for Blue Badge holders.
Parking eye/Capita
Seems like at least 40 possible patients caught out in first month of operation
http://www.macclesfield-express.co.uk/news/fury-fi...
Ah, no surprise there then. There is no reason why any NHS Trust should use such a deeply unethical company.
There are better ways of managing hospital parking. Oddly enough the shining example mentioned is run by TPS!

Have a read of these.
http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/no...
http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/ho...
http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/br...

Expecting out-patients to know/guess up front how long a visit will take is just wrong.
The last time I had a hospital appointment around 3 years ago I was told to present myself at reception at 10,00am
I was still waiting to be seen by the consultant at 11.30am and finally managed to do so at 12.10pm.
Fortunately I was able to use public transport to get there (the bus terminal is adjacent to the hospital).
If I had driven, figuring out how long I should pay for parking would have been a total lottery.

The only saving grace in my case is that the NHS Trust in question doesn't use PE and its ccensoredp ANPR system.

FiF

43,964 posts

250 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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Thanks for those links Red Devil, interesting. My local trust uses various methods including the barrier - ticket - machine to work out fee payable - reasonable time to leave and put validated ticket in exit barrier. Another site uses the P&D system where you have to guess, I know that the first half hour is free, but they carefully don't tell people rocking up at the p&d machine about that.

Considering the recent debate about choosing to avoid supermarkets and other shops who utilise such parking controls and patronise those who don't, makes one wonder how the same logic applies in respect of hospitals. Oops.

It's a reasonable argument that hospitals shouldn't charge. Unfortunately they have to be accessible, either through location or transport links. Experience now of three new builds where the original intention was to provide sufficient free parking to cater for demands. In each case due to a combination of councillors limiting the parking for political head in the clouds reasons, but mainly due to selfish freeloaders seeing a location for free places to leave their vehicles while they cleared off to work / shopping they all have systems to keep available spaces.

No doubt this means another false accusation by the funkyblackcurrant of wanting more and more of these systems. The reality is what we want is drivers to be responsible and not dump their vehicles selfishly with no regard for anything other than their own selfish convenience. That's what we want then the parking parasites would be out of business. That's a better aim than hoping Lidl et al suffer.

HustleRussell

24,602 posts

159 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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Hol said:
Yup,
They should (and would) be serving the customers who want to park and shop.
Not pandering to those who want to be pocket anarchists.

Would you also go to the bank to pay in a cheque and queue for the cashier and then pretend you don't have the cheque with you - because that will teach the bank who is boss.
That metaphor really make any sense.

While we’re coming up with metaphors that bear little comparison to the subject at hand, I’d suggest that this scenario is more like me dressing my car up like a police car, putting on one of those ‘POLITE’ vests and pulling other motorists over and issuing £90 on the spot fines for motoring offences.

It’s exploitative. Private parking enforcement companies are exploiting the gullible, vulnerable people who don’t know the difference between a council issued parking ‘fine’ and some chancer private parking company’s ‘charge’ and pay up believing they are obliged to do so.

Please convince me that £90 is fair and proportionate to parking or overstaying by any period exceeding 10 minutes. How much profit might Lidl make from a single customer making a 10 minute shop?

How much parking should £90 buy?

I’d like to see the law clarified in such a way that private parking companies can issue parking charges for offending motorists but those charges must be demonstrably calculated from the loss incurred by the parking company and land owner.

If I get an invoice for parking and the charge is £3 per hour for parking plus £6 per hour loss of profit compensation plus £1.50 to administer and deliver the invoice I’d consider it reasonable and I’d agree that such a charge should be legally enforceable.

As they are the charges are clearly opportunistic and punitive.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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HustleRussell said:
I’d like to see the law clarified in such a way that private parking companies can issue parking charges for offending motorists but those charges must be demonstrably calculated from the loss incurred by the parking company and land owner.
As they are the charges are clearly opportunistic and punitive.
Well we'll wait for the Beavis ruling then ?
And they are looking at it https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
And some of the responses
BPA, Who know what they are doing ? http://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/Li...
A bunch of well meaning do gooders ? http://www.moneyadvicetrust.org/SiteCollectionDocu...
The response to question 8 on Money advice service is interesting in that it reflects a similiar view to many PH's.
Google "DCLG private parking charges"
Keep your eyes peeled for updates
But it will take years possibly like the banning of clamping in certain circumstances did.

Hol

8,360 posts

199 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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HustleRussell said:
Hol said:
Yup,
They should (and would) be serving the customers who want to park and shop.
Not pandering to those who want to be pocket anarchists.

Would you also go to the bank to pay in a cheque and queue for the cashier and then pretend you don't have the cheque with you - because that will teach the bank who is boss.
That metaphor really make any sense.

While we’re coming up with metaphors that bear little comparison to the subject at hand, I’d suggest that this scenario is more like me dressing my car up like a police car, putting on one of those ‘POLITE’ vests and pulling other motorists over and issuing £90 on the spot fines for motoring offences.

It’s exploitative. Private parking enforcement companies are exploiting the gullible, vulnerable people who don’t know the difference between a council issued parking ‘fine’ and some chancer private parking company’s ‘charge’ and pay up believing they are obliged to do so.

Please convince me that £90 is fair and proportionate to parking or overstaying by any period exceeding 10 minutes. How much profit might Lidl make from a single customer making a 10 minute shop?

How much parking should £90 buy?

I’d like to see the law clarified in such a way that private parking companies can issue parking charges for offending motorists but those charges must be demonstrably calculated from the loss incurred by the parking company and land owner.

If I get an invoice for parking and the charge is £3 per hour for parking plus £6 per hour loss of profit compensation plus £1.50 to administer and deliver the invoice I’d consider it reasonable and I’d agree that such a charge should be legally enforceable.

As they are the charges are clearly opportunistic and punitive.
Reading is actually one of my skills.

So kindly explain how your own metaphor better explains the exact subject it was in response to?:

Somebody going into a shop and deliberately pretending to forget their registration number, to teach the shop owners a lesson?


Somehow I don't think it does! confused









Edited by Hol on Thursday 3rd September 11:50

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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HustleRussell said:
Please convince me that £90 is fair and proportionate to parking or overstaying by any period exceeding 10 minutes. How much profit might Lidl make from a single customer making a 10 minute shop?

How much parking should £90 buy?

I’d like to see the law clarified in such a way that private parking companies can issue parking charges for offending motorists but those charges must be demonstrably calculated from the loss incurred by the parking company and land owner.

If I get an invoice for parking and the charge is £3 per hour for parking plus £6 per hour loss of profit compensation plus £1.50 to administer and deliver the invoice I’d consider it reasonable and I’d agree that such a charge should be legally enforceable.
It seems a bit like saying a shoplifter should only be charged for the value of goods that he has stolen, It's not meant to be a fair and proportionate charge, it's meant to be a deterrent.

Even where there IS a fair and propertionate charge (£2 in this case) it seems that people would like to wriggle out of paying if they can....

HustleRussell

24,602 posts

159 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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In response to Hol, no, I have not read the whole thread and yes, I did assume your remark was about the principle rather than specifically about the scenario described earlier by someone else.

HustleRussell

24,602 posts

159 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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Countdown said:
It seems a bit like saying a shoplifter should only be charged for the value of goods that he has stolen, It's not meant to be a fair and proportionate charge, it's meant to be a deterrent.

Even where there IS a fair and propertionate charge (£2 in this case) it seems that people would like to wriggle out of paying if they can....
I suppose this is the nub of it then, Where a shoplifter has stolen something there is a marked value to that item, in the case of parking there is not (Unless there's a pay and display facility in the car park but that is not the case at my local Lidl).

So what is reasonable?

As somebody already mentioned up there ^ we're waiting for a supreme court ruling on pretty much this definition.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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HustleRussell said:
I suppose this is the nub of it then, Where a shoplifter has stolen something there is a marked value to that item, in the case of parking there is not (Unless there's a pay and display facility in the car park but that is not the case at my local Lidl).

So what is reasonable?

As somebody already mentioned up there ^ we're waiting for a supreme court ruling on pretty much this definition.
What's reasonable is for ignorant sods to stop parking where they have no right to and to respect the rights of the landowner or tenant.

JustinP1

13,330 posts

229 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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LoonR1 said:
What's reasonable is for ignorant sods to stop parking where they have no right to and to respect the rights of the landowner or tenant.
This has been my point for many years.

People need to be educated that you don't have a right to expect a private parking service for free.

And if they park somewhere, then they are entering into a contract for parking services. So, they'd better read what their contract is before agreeing to it.

I've never received a parking ticket in the 18 years I've been driving by following the above.

FiF

43,964 posts

250 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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JustinP1 said:
LoonR1 said:
What's reasonable is for ignorant sods to stop parking where they have no right to and to respect the rights of the landowner or tenant.
This has been my point for many years.

People need to be educated that you don't have a right to expect a private parking service for free.

And if they park somewhere, then they are entering into a contract for parking services. So, they'd better read what their contract is before agreeing to it.

I've never received a parking ticket in the 18 years I've been driving by following the above.
Thirded. Only problem is that we don't seem capable of educating the unwashed that you keep left except when overtaking, so the chance of getting any slightly more sophisticated message across is remote, especially when the message doesn't fit with their selfish sense of entitlement to do what they want regardless of the effect on others.

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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Thanks for the support and it's interesting to see how many agree with that based on earlier postings, so maybe, just maybe progress is being made. The wibblists and those demanding to be able ton park anywhere are certainly a lot quieter bar the odd nutter.

I often wonder how they'd react if I dumped a car on their driveway. I know their argument is that it's totally different but in its basic form it isn't.

mp3manager

4,254 posts

195 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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The last twice I've been to Lidl's, (approx 7 months ago), the 4 disabled bays have been full, so as a blue-badge holder, I didn't want to hang around for one to become free, so I just turned round and drove out.

So what happens the next time, when all 4 bays are full? Do I have to loiter about in the car-park, waiting for one to become vacant then hobble in to the store and give my vehicle registration, then hobble back out again?


Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

153 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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LoonR1 said:
Thanks for the support and it's interesting to see how many agree with that based on earlier postings, so maybe, just maybe progress is being made. The wibblists and those demanding to be able ton park anywhere are certainly a lot quieter bar the odd nutter.

I often wonder how they'd react if I dumped a car on their driveway. I know their argument is that it's totally different but in its basic form it isn't.
Of course they're going to agree,this site is full of divorced,angry little men moaning about swt's, who's main aim is to put a price on everything,business,business,business and not a lot else fills their life.

sc0tt

18,032 posts

200 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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LoonR1 said:
It's one small step for man, but a giant leap for funkycoldribena.

Who has suggested that this is a national incentive? Who has suggested that this applies to any car parks not fully owned by Aldi? Where is this retail park near you that has suddenly started charging for parking exclusively as a result of Aldi being there?

Other countries have plenty of other laws and cultures that you'd freak out about too, such as the old Soviet Union, which is effectively as lawless as the Wild West. Maybe these countries without PPCs also have citizens who are unselfish and prepared not to park on other people's property without good reason.

Change your name to funkycoldhyperbole
You would love this plonker then.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

LoonR1

26,988 posts

176 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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mp3manager said:
The last twice I've been to Lidl's, (approx 7 months ago), the 4 disabled bays have been full, so as a blue-badge holder, I didn't want to hang around for one to become free, so I just turned round and drove out.

So what happens the next time, when all 4 bays are full? Do I have to loiter about in the car-park, waiting for one to become vacant then hobble in to the store and give my vehicle registration, then hobble back out again?
Nothing. Nothing happens. This isn't a national roll out. This isn't happening everywhere. this is one PH poster coming up with a comment that may or may not be true.

Prone to hyperbole?

HustleRussell

24,602 posts

159 months

Thursday 3rd September 2015
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mp3manager said:
The last twice I've been to Lidl's, (approx 7 months ago), the 4 disabled bays have been full, so as a blue-badge holder, I didn't want to hang around for one to become free, so I just turned round and drove out.

So what happens the next time, when all 4 bays are full? Do I have to loiter about in the car-park, waiting for one to become vacant then hobble in to the store and give my vehicle registration, then hobble back out again?
Suck it up you ignorant sod, pay up like a good boy and be thankful these businesses have provided such a facility in the first place.

rolleyes