Lord montagu reported as having died

Lord montagu reported as having died

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Cfnteabag

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1,195 posts

196 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Just been reported in BBC news app as Lord Montagu has died aged 88

Eric Mc

122,029 posts

265 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Just heard.

A great character in the history of automotive preservation in the UK.

Laurel Green

30,779 posts

232 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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frown

Fishtigua

9,786 posts

195 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Many happy hours passed at the Jumble.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34106225

Fantic SuperT

887 posts

220 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Great collection of cars and paedophile offences dropped by the DPP.
I especially liked the Bluebird.

Asterix

24,438 posts

228 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Fishtigua said:
Many happy hours passed at the Jumble.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-34106225
Indeed - always really enjoyed seeing what you could unearth there.

RIP old bean.

ClaphamGT3

11,300 posts

243 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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A charming and very self effacing man with that wonderful attribute of knowing an awful lot about an awful lot of things.

He also - outwardly at least - bore no ill-will towards the more prudish elements of post war society that treated him so shabbily

craigjm

17,955 posts

200 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Been confirmed by Beaulieu now. RIP

eccles

13,733 posts

222 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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ClaphamGT3 said:
He also - outwardly at least - bore no ill-will towards the more prudish elements of post war society that treated him so shabbily
Care to expand on that? Genuinely intrigued.

Cheese Mechanic

3,157 posts

169 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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eccles said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
He also - outwardly at least - bore no ill-will towards the more prudish elements of post war society that treated him so shabbily
Care to expand on that? Genuinely intrigued.
Read the BBC link.

Silent1

19,761 posts

235 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Fantic SuperT said:
Great collection of cars and paedophile offences dropped by the DPP.
I especially liked the Bluebird.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/child...

Fantic SuperT

887 posts

220 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Silent1 said:
Fantic SuperT said:
Great collection of cars and paedophile offences dropped by the DPP.
I especially liked the Bluebird.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/child...
The trouble is, I'm getting confused about which Montagu did what. The one who just died isn't Victor Montagu the known paedo let off by the DPP.

eccles

13,733 posts

222 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Cheese Mechanic said:
eccles said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
He also - outwardly at least - bore no ill-will towards the more prudish elements of post war society that treated him so shabbily
Care to expand on that? Genuinely intrigued.
Read the BBC link.
Ah, that will be where all the boy scout jokes originated from then.

Silent1

19,761 posts

235 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Fantic SuperT said:
Silent1 said:
Fantic SuperT said:
Great collection of cars and paedophile offences dropped by the DPP.
I especially liked the Bluebird.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/child...
The trouble is, I'm getting confused about which Montagu did what. The one who just died isn't Victor Montagu the known paedo let off by the DPP.
That's what I was thinking, I did write a post asking if you were confused but I'm guessing my iPhone cocked up.

ClaphamGT3

11,300 posts

243 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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eccles said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
He also - outwardly at least - bore no ill-will towards the more prudish elements of post war society that treated him so shabbily
Care to expand on that? Genuinely intrigued.
Edward was prosecuted in the early fifties for homosexuality and imprisoned for, if I recall, two years. There was a strong body of evidence that the 'establishment' wanted a high profile conviction for a homosexuality offence as they were worried about falling standards in morality (as they perceived it) post-war. He made himself an easy target by always being quite open about his bisexuality.

The outcome was that there was a significant public backlash at what was perceived as an exemplar of harsh application of outdated legislation and, within a couple of years, the MacMillan Govt commissioned the Wolfenden Report which paved the way for de-criminalising homosexuality

MrHorsepower

2,438 posts

138 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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R.I.P.

As a child nothing delighted more than my parents saying "Shall we go to Beaulieu?" A visit to the National Motor Museum is still pretty hard to beat now I'm a few years older.

Lord Montagu was also commendable as a dedicated preservationist of historic buildings.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

170 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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ClaphamGT3 said:
Edward was prosecuted in the early fifties for homosexuality and imprisoned for, if I recall, two years. There was a strong body of evidence that the 'establishment' wanted a high profile conviction for a homosexuality offence as they were worried about falling standards in morality (as they perceived it) post-war. He made himself an easy target by always being quite open about his bisexuality.

The outcome was that there was a significant public backlash at what was perceived as an exemplar of harsh application of outdated legislation and, within a couple of years, the MacMillan Govt commissioned the Wolfenden Report which paved the way for de-criminalising homosexuality
"On two occasions (Edward) Montagu was charged and committed for trial at Winchester Assizes, firstly in 1953 for having underage sex with a 14-year-old Boy Scout at his beach hut on the Solent,[3] a charge he has always denied."

According to local news today and Wiki.

ClaphamGT3

11,300 posts

243 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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Mr GrimNasty said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
Edward was prosecuted in the early fifties for homosexuality and imprisoned for, if I recall, two years. There was a strong body of evidence that the 'establishment' wanted a high profile conviction for a homosexuality offence as they were worried about falling standards in morality (as they perceived it) post-war. He made himself an easy target by always being quite open about his bisexuality.

The outcome was that there was a significant public backlash at what was perceived as an exemplar of harsh application of outdated legislation and, within a couple of years, the MacMillan Govt commissioned the Wolfenden Report which paved the way for de-criminalising homosexuality
"On two occasions (Edward) Montagu was charged and committed for trial at Winchester Assizes, firstly in 1953 for having underage sex with a 14-year-old Boy Scout at his beach hut on the Solent,[3] a charge he has always denied."

According to local news today and Wiki.
What you rather churlishly omit to mention is that he was acquitted on that charge. I dare say you feel emboldened knowing that you can't libel the dead but you might have the decency to wait until his corpse is cold - never has a forum name been more apposite.......

Fantic SuperT

887 posts

220 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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ClaphamGT3 said:
What you rather churlishly omit to mention is that he was acquitted on that charge. I dare say you feel emboldened knowing that you can't libel the dead but you might have the decency to wait until his corpse is cold - never has a forum name been more apposite.......
Yes let's not unnecessarily confuse his homosexuality with paedophilia. Unless of course his acquittal turns out to be another Jeremy Thorpe MP / Cyril Smith MP / Victor Montagu MP / Sir Jimmy Savile / Lord Leon Brittan etc. sort of justice. In which case the 'fetch me another scout, this one's split' stories are appropriate.


Edited by Fantic SuperT on Monday 31st August 17:46

Eric Mc

122,029 posts

265 months

Monday 31st August 2015
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It's obvious to me that there is a set of posters on PH who can't wait to jump in with their odious comments as soon as someone has passed away.

Even if they are right - there eagerness to start firing on all barrels is to me almost as revealing about their nasty little personalities as the things they accuse the deceased of.