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SuperHangOn

3,486 posts

152 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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cat220 said:
BlueMR2 said:
0a said:
If only I could convince myself these didn't rust... an interesting colour combination

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C685524



As a rarer colour, that may be less prone to rust. Could be a bit cheaper in that colour scheme though.
I always dismissed the 210's until I was drawn to my current e55. I worked on the basis that if its not a heap of rust by now its not going to dissolve overnight. Lets be honest we are not rust averse having owned\owning 124 as they can rust with the best of them. As mentioned some colours seem to be effected with rot more than others, definitely don't dismiss them though.
Agree - if its not rotten over a decade later its not going to suddenly happen is it. I think most of mine was repainted under warranty. I've been a bit unlucky and had to do the spring perches and a few plates to the inner wings - about £4-500's worth of work ('98 car with 161k). Plastered with POR15 so that shouldn't rear its head again.

You could easily need more on a 124, or even an E39 TBH (mine needed a lot of work to one sill).

slk 32

1,486 posts

192 months

Thursday 26th November 2015
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279 said:
So chaps, with all the Mercedes love in here does anybody have any experiences of W220/C215 Mercedes?

I know the smaller Mercedes from this era get a bad rep, do the larger ones turn to rust/fall apart/become a electrical fire risk?. I've personally come across a couple of jammed shifters but that's a common issue. I do seem to see a fair few around suffering from ABC problems but from my own research that seems to be more to do with neglect/poor maintenance than inherit design flaws.

CL500s seem to represent fantastic value



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MERCEDES-CL500-AUTO-BLUE...
£2995!

Or the slightly more mad, but oh some tempting prospect of a V12 and Twin Turbos for £5k if you're willing to put up with more doors...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...


Edited by 279 on Thursday 26th November 18:24
I remember years ago watching Quentin Wilson on Top Gear or fifth gear reviewing the E36 M3 as a used buy. One phrase that always stuck with me is the moment a car goes 'white sock' which is essentially the moment a car falls in price enough to be afforded by people who ordinarily would not be able to run such a motor. Having strapped themselves up on finance they are then unwilling or unable to maintain the vehicle correctly.

A 100k car will always require 100k car maintenance whether or not you pay 100k or 3k for it.

The trick is to try and avoid a car that's been 'white socked' and get one that's been owned from new by a retired cotswold vet who has lavished it with a full mdsh

Edited by slk 32 on Thursday 26th November 23:21

PlayersNo6

1,102 posts

155 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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SuperHangOn said:
cat220 said:
BlueMR2 said:
0a said:
If only I could convince myself these didn't rust... an interesting colour combination

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C685524



As a rarer colour, that may be less prone to rust. Could be a bit cheaper in that colour scheme though.
I always dismissed the 210's until I was drawn to my current e55. I worked on the basis that if its not a heap of rust by now its not going to dissolve overnight. Lets be honest we are not rust averse having owned\owning 124 as they can rust with the best of them. As mentioned some colours seem to be effected with rot more than others, definitely don't dismiss them though.
Agree - if its not rotten over a decade later its not going to suddenly happen is it. I think most of mine was repainted under warranty. I've been a bit unlucky and had to do the spring perches and a few plates to the inner wings - about £4-500's worth of work ('98 car with 161k). Plastered with POR15 so that shouldn't rear its head again.

You could easily need more on a 124, or even an E39 TBH (mine needed a lot of work to one sill).
Mine (51 plate) had the boot lock area done under warranty before I got it. Both rear arches were rusty so I've had those rectified. The front wings and door tops are all good. Underneath it's excellent and still on the original exhaust. IMO the W210 still feels and drives like a proper Benz. A lot of the really rotten ones will have already gone to the crusher I reckon. There are some nice, cherished ones out there to be had - similar to that first gen C Class posted a few pages up.

Re the E55 posted, those headlamps are knackered - they may respond to a sand, mop and polish - otherwise you're looking at £200 for a pair of OE Hellas and the bumper needs dropping to fit.

BorniteIdentity

1,055 posts

129 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Shiiid.

Seems like the w202 secret is out there now, and it got leaked before I've managed to get a nice one at a good price!

I love them. Has to be an early one for me with the amber indicators. There's one in our village, and I love parking my 190 right next to it - you can definitely see its genesis in mine.



Edited by BorniteIdentity on Friday 27th November 06:08

tobinen

9,178 posts

144 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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PlayersNo6 said:
Re the E55 posted, those headlamps are knackered - they may respond to a sand, mop and polish - otherwise you're looking at £200 for a pair of OE Hellas and the bumper needs dropping to fit.
Pretty sure you only need to drop the bumper of the facelifts for a headlamp change, but yes those headlamps need attention.

W00DY

15,462 posts

225 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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0a said:
If only I could convince myself these didn't rust... an interesting colour combination

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C685524



That is so lush. Such a shame there's so many silver cars out there.

Ghost91

2,964 posts

109 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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This looks nice for £795 - I know it's under-budget but I know you chaps appreciate a 190!

Excuse the rubbish small pictures, I had to screenshot on my phone as it wouldn't let me save them!

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...







Edited by Ghost91 on Friday 27th November 08:27

S3_Graham

12,830 posts

198 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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PlayersNo6 said:
SuperHangOn said:
cat220 said:
BlueMR2 said:
0a said:
If only I could convince myself these didn't rust... an interesting colour combination

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C685524



As a rarer colour, that may be less prone to rust. Could be a bit cheaper in that colour scheme though.
I always dismissed the 210's until I was drawn to my current e55. I worked on the basis that if its not a heap of rust by now its not going to dissolve overnight. Lets be honest we are not rust averse having owned\owning 124 as they can rust with the best of them. As mentioned some colours seem to be effected with rot more than others, definitely don't dismiss them though.
Agree - if its not rotten over a decade later its not going to suddenly happen is it. I think most of mine was repainted under warranty. I've been a bit unlucky and had to do the spring perches and a few plates to the inner wings - about £4-500's worth of work ('98 car with 161k). Plastered with POR15 so that shouldn't rear its head again.

You could easily need more on a 124, or even an E39 TBH (mine needed a lot of work to one sill).
Mine (51 plate) had the boot lock area done under warranty before I got it. Both rear arches were rusty so I've had those rectified. The front wings and door tops are all good. Underneath it's excellent and still on the original exhaust. IMO the W210 still feels and drives like a proper Benz. A lot of the really rotten ones will have already gone to the crusher I reckon. There are some nice, cherished ones out there to be had - similar to that first gen C Class posted a few pages up.

Re the E55 posted, those headlamps are knackered - they may respond to a sand, mop and polish - otherwise you're looking at £200 for a pair of OE Hellas and the bumper needs dropping to fit.
I'd echo these sentiments. My W208 55 had a tiny bit of rust on one jacking point which I 'rust remidied' and needed a new front wing. My headlights were dull and responded well to a sand/polsh. Hardly the end of the world on a 14 year old car.

The slightly newer cars arent much better. I've just got my S203 AMG back from the bodyshop having had both front wings and both rear arches replaced..... looks good now though. Will be gutted when I sell!


Edited by S3_Graham on Friday 27th November 08:13

Farmer Geddon

212 posts

105 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Variety is the spice of life, so let's have something that isn't an old merc...

An old lexus



http://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/161895294519

Ghost91

2,964 posts

109 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Farmer Geddon said:
Variety is the spice of life, so let's have something that isn't an old merc...

An old lexus



http://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/161895294519
I have a strange compulsion to buy one of these at some point, they look very comfortable and wafty indeed

PlayersNo6

1,102 posts

155 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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They're great cars

layercake

422 posts

103 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Lowtimer

4,286 posts

167 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Ghost91 said:
This looks nice for £795 - I know it's under-budget but I know you chaps appreciate a 190!
I agree, it looks well worth investigation at that money. No worries about things being under budget if they are apparently solid and viable cars of a character appropriate to the thread. It would soon be in budget range with a bit of fixer-upper activity anyway.

bob-lad

2,212 posts

104 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Max M4X WW said:
E65Ross said:
279 said:
So chaps, with all the Mercedes love in here does anybody have any experiences of W220/C215 Mercedes?

I know the smaller Mercedes from this era get a bad rep, do the larger ones turn to rust/fall apart/become a electrical fire risk?. I've personally come across a couple of jammed shifters but that's a common issue. I do seem to see a fair few around suffering from ABC problems but from my own research that seems to be more to do with neglect/poor maintenance than inherit design flaws.

CL500s seem to represent fantastic value



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MERCEDES-CL500-AUTO-BLUE...
£2995!

Or the slightly more mad, but oh some tempting prospect of a V12 and Twin Turbos for £5k if you're willing to put up with more doors...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...


Edited by 279 on Thursday 26th November 18:24
Less than 10 miles from me...!
I really want a CL, when I'm bored of the Volvo I may have to buy one.
That CL500 is listed as BLUE in the advert and the MoT database.
Is that a special Mercedes blue that looks silver in photographs?


SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

252 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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layercake said:
After being burned recently I'm not going to call that bob-utterly-on.

(but it is)

harrykul

2,770 posts

225 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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bob-lad said:
That CL500 is listed as BLUE in the advert and the MoT database.
Is that a special Mercedes blue that looks silver in photographs?
Probably Chalcedony Blue- very pale, like Ice Blue

PlayersNo6

1,102 posts

155 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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bob-lad said:
That CL500 is listed as BLUE in the advert and the MoT database.
Is that a special Mercedes blue that looks silver in photographs?
Looks like Chalcedony - a pale metallic blue. I like it.

swisstoni

16,844 posts

278 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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bob-lad said:
Max M4X WW said:
E65Ross said:
279 said:
So chaps, with all the Mercedes love in here does anybody have any experiences of W220/C215 Mercedes?

I know the smaller Mercedes from this era get a bad rep, do the larger ones turn to rust/fall apart/become a electrical fire risk?. I've personally come across a couple of jammed shifters but that's a common issue. I do seem to see a fair few around suffering from ABC problems but from my own research that seems to be more to do with neglect/poor maintenance than inherit design flaws.

CL500s seem to represent fantastic value



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MERCEDES-CL500-AUTO-BLUE...
£2995!

Or the slightly more mad, but oh some tempting prospect of a V12 and Twin Turbos for £5k if you're willing to put up with more doors...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...


Edited by 279 on Thursday 26th November 18:24
Less than 10 miles from me...!
I really want a CL, when I'm bored of the Volvo I may have to buy one.
That CL500 is listed as BLUE in the advert and the MoT database.
Is that a special Mercedes blue that looks silver in photographs?
Its called Tellurite. It's a bluey silver or a silvery blue.
Darker colours seem to complement the CL shape best. I've been looking at CLs for years but was dismayed to find that the early ones, at least, aren't shy about rusting in certain places. If you add that to their ability to throw up massive bills with their ABC and other systems then these aren't a good prospect for a happy relationship.
I've just bought an SL which shares the same complex systems and have been dealt a hefty blow in the wallet already by the ABC - 45,000mls and FMBSH!

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

252 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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slk 32 said:
A 100k car will always require 100k car maintenance whether or not you pay 100k or 3k for it.
I have to refute this, as I think it's unnecessary scare-mongering for those yet to take the plunge.

I have nary a pot in which to pee. I'm so poor I get a christmas tip from the mice. Yet for years and years (and years) I've run a fleet of luxury-ish bangers with cumulative new prices well into 6 figures.

My cars cost me a few hundred a year. Honestly. Just a few hundred.

Sometime spending is required. But scale of said spending is almost always optional - the necessary is very little, and sprucing-up is entirely voluntary (and often futile).

Second-hand parts, Eurocarparts, GSF, and a willingness to scuff one's knuckles and learn a bit will get you through.

Tossing keys at 'The Man' is an exciting luxury of which I'm very envious, but it's absolutely not part and parcel of the game.

Just jump in, the water's tepid.

BigBen

11,610 posts

229 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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SpeckledJim said:
slk 32 said:
A 100k car will always require 100k car maintenance whether or not you pay 100k or 3k for it.
I have to refute this, as I think it's unnecessary scare-mongering for those yet to take the plunge.

I have nary a pot in which to pee. I'm so poor I get a christmas tip from the mice. Yet for years and years (and years) I've run a fleet of luxury-ish bangers with cumulative new prices well into 6 figures.

My cars cost me a few hundred a year. Honestly. Just a few hundred.

Sometime spending is required. But scale of said spending is almost always optional - the necessary is very little, and sprucing-up is entirely voluntary (and often futile).

Second-hand parts, Eurocarparts, GSF, and a willingness to scuff one's knuckles and learn a bit will get you through.

Tossing keys at 'The Man' is an exciting luxury of which I'm very envious, but it's absolutely not part and parcel of the game.

Just jump in, the water's tepid.
Seconded. It is essential to go to the dealer with a new car to maintain service history and therefore value, as the car is older just using an indy instead reduces the 100k car running costs. DIY reduces them even more so.

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