Redbull not to use Renault engines in 2016

[KaraK]

Composite Guru said:

HTP99 said:

Soul Reaver said:

Isnt it amazing how much money you can from one product that doesn't actually taste that nice!

I've always been astounded how that singular and relatively new; when compared to Coca Cola or Pepsi for example, product can generate so much money, it is fking horrible too.

Clearly not that horrible by the amount of cash they have.

To be honest (and I'm sure I'm going to lose PH-points for admitting this) I actually don't mind the taste of Red Bull, I'm not saying I'd drink it purely for the taste or anything but it's not unpleasant per se - and for it's goal of knocking a can back to provide a bit of a kick to wake you up or keep you going it generally does the job. Yes coffee does a similar job (and I utterly worship coffee!) but RB fits in better with more active pursuits then coffee does. I know if I'm tired and heading out on track or on a snowboard then I'd much rather down a can of that then sit around drinking a latte or whatever, it's faster and sits lighter on my stomach. I'd guess I'm not the only person in the world that feels that way - something that the RB marketing department clearly know as they base essentially all their marketing around this idea.

I never quite get all the hate Red Bull gets for being involved in F1 - motorsport is generally struggling for sponsors across all disciplines and surely a company that sponsors teams/individuals across F1, GP2, Euro F3, BTCC, WTCC, BSB, MotoGP, Moto2, Moto3, V8 Supercars, Speedway, Rallying, Motocross (and those are just off the top of my head) should be applauded by motorsport fans regardless of whether you drink their products or not. Yes, they are a business not a charity so they aren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts but at the end of the day I'd imagine the people getting help funding their careers in some of the most expensive sports to participate in are pretty damn happy to be getting that funding and help! There aren't many other multi-billion dollar corporations prepared to invest the same levels of money into motorsport are there?

EDIT: Just reading that back I thought I better clear up that I'm not having a pop at Composite Guru/HTP99/Soul Reaver there, apologies if it looked that way

Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox now

Edited by KaraK on Wednesday 7th October 15:38

[HustleRussell]

Wait... people drink Red Bull during 'active pursuits'? There's me thinking it is solely used for staying awake long enough to get drunk.

[Munter]

I don't have a problem with Red Bull the drinks company.

I do have a problem with a race team that notices a difference between the rules and how they are tested, then deliberately breaks the rules. Thus legally running a car that's outside the regulations. Particularly when they do it where the public can see it's being done, and lie about it. It's not honourable or sporting, and shows a lack of respect for the fans and the other teams. It's the sort of attitude that will eventually be their undoing.

Oh look they appear to be coming undone.

Winning at any cost includes the cost of ones reputation, and possibly the cost of not having engine supplier it appears.

[rdjohn]

Their young driver / development programme has also been fairly spectacular.

You have to feel sorry for Jamie Alguersuari quitting racing at 24. But when you look at the competition for his seat, you have to admit that their talent-spotting methodology is pretty spot-on

[HTP99]

KaraK said:

Composite Guru said:

HTP99 said:

Soul Reaver said:

Isnt it amazing how much money you can from one product that doesn't actually taste that nice!

I've always been astounded how that singular and relatively new; when compared to Coca Cola or Pepsi for example, product can generate so much money, it is fking horrible too.

Clearly not that horrible by the amount of cash they have.

To be honest (and I'm sure I'm going to lose PH-points for admitting this) I actually don't mind the taste of Red Bull, I'm not saying I'd drink it purely for the taste or anything but it's not unpleasant per se - and for it's goal of knocking a can back to provide a bit of a kick to wake you up or keep you going it generally does the job. Yes coffee does a similar job (and I utterly worship coffee!) but RB fits in better with more active pursuits then coffee does. I know if I'm tired and heading out on track or on a snowboard then I'd much rather down a can of that then sit around drinking a latte or whatever, it's faster and sits lighter on my stomach. I'd guess I'm not the only person in the world that feels that way - something that the RB marketing department clearly know as they base essentially all their marketing around this idea.

I never quite get all the hate Red Bull gets for being involved in F1 - motorsport is generally struggling for sponsors across all disciplines and surely a company that sponsors teams/individuals across F1, GP2, Euro F3, BTCC, WTCC, BSB, MotoGP, Moto2, Moto3, V8 Supercars, Speedway, Rallying, Motocross (and those are just off the top of my head) should be applauded by motorsport fans regardless of whether you drink their products or not. Yes, they are a business not a charity so they aren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts but at the end of the day I'd imagine the people getting help funding their careers in some of the most expensive sports to participate in are pretty damn happy to be getting that funding and help! There aren't many other multi-billion dollar corporations prepared to invest the same levels of money into motorsport are there?

EDIT: Just reading that back I thought I better clear up that I'm not having a pop at Composite Guru/HTP99/Soul Reaver there, apologies if it looked that way

Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox now

Edited by KaraK on Wednesday 7th October 15:38

Didn't think you were having a pop.

I have had Red Bull once, I only drunk it out of politeness as it was bought for me, I needed a massive piss 20 minutes later as it went straight through me.

I don't have a sweet tooth; I do like a Coke every one in a while though, but the smell of Red Bull and any other of these types of drinks, is enough to put me right off.

[KaraK]

Munter said:

I don't have a problem with Red Bull the drinks company.

I do have a problem with a race team that notices a difference between the rules and how they are tested, then deliberately breaks the rules. Thus legally running a car that's outside the regulations. Particularly when they do it where the public can see it's being done, and lie about it. It's not honourable or sporting, and shows a lack of respect for the fans and the other teams. It's the sort of attitude that will eventually be their undoing.

Oh look they appear to be coming undone.

Winning at any cost includes the cost of ones reputation, and possibly the cost of not having engine supplier it appears.

Yeah the flexi front wing malarky was pretty despicable - that sort of behaviour is far from unique in F1 of course (see the whole Ferrari bargeboard debacle back in '99) but that doesn't excuse it in any shape or form. The murky gap between the spirit and letter of the regs is something I know you can never realistically eliminate, and I suppose to be fair you have seen the occasional funky innovation come out of that grey area but on the whole it often leads to Bad Things(TM)

I suppose thinking about it I'm probably in a similar position to yourself - despite the fact that I generally approve of Red Bull and their involvement in motorsport in general I can't say I'm a fan of the main F1 team and the way they have conducted themselves at several points. I posted on the "should RB leave?" thread saying they should stay because I don't want to see two well-resourced and competitive teams leave an already beleaguered grid but that's the reason really rather then any affection for RBR themselves, although I actually quite like STR if I'm honest!

[KaraK]

Gaz. said:

My issue with RBR is the same as anyone else who pisses up my back and then tells me it's raining, that and they are very bad sports & perpetually moaning even in the good times. I also have very little time for their politicking and that they are quite happy to turn someone over at the drop of a hat while talking out of both sides of their mouth.

Nail -> Head

[anonymous-user]

There is no such thing as the spirit of the rules. Only the rules as written and the enforcement of the rules by the regulators as they choose to interpret and enforce them.

[rubystone]

rdjohn said:

Their young driver / development programme has also been fairly spectacular.

You have to feel sorry for Jamie Alguersuari quitting racing at 24. But when you look at the competition for his seat, you have to admit that their talent-spotting methodology is pretty spot-on

I'm wondering what's wrong with him. He seems to have lost a heck of a lot of weight.

[Gazzab]

rubystone said:

I'm wondering what's wrong with him. He seems to have lost a heck of a lot of weight.

He eats hestly anything as had to lose 3 or 4 kg for formula E apparently

[rubystone]

Gazzab said:

He eats hestly anything as had to lose 3 or 4 kg for formula E apparently

He pulled out of FE because of ill health. The suggestion is that this caused his retirement from motor racing.

[scarble]

Welp, that's that then.
Ferrari have said no.
http://wtf1.co.uk/red-bull-ferrari-engines-2016/

Mercedes and Honda also said no.
er..
What now?

[HorneyMX5]

Looooool.

[Composite Guru]

All sorted now according to BE.

http://www.eurosport.co.uk/formula-1/ecclestone-sa...

[KarlMac]

Shirely the only options now are cap in hand to Renault or leave?

[Puddenchucker]

KarlMac said:

Shirely the only options now are cap in hand to Renault or leave?

Autosport are reporting that they are now back talking to Renault.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/121233

[suffolk009]

Oh blimey. Just heard in commentary that Horner might "do a Brawn" and take over Red Bull.

Imagine that; Horner GP.

[Europa1]

suffolk009 said:

Oh blimey. Just heard in commentary that Horner might "do a Brawn" and take over Red Bull.

Imagine that; Horner GP.

Interesting idea, but can't see that would help with getting an engine for 2016.

[Munter]

I'm really not sure that solves the engine problem. Nobody want's to supply an engine to that team.

[suffolk009]

Brundle asked Horner if he'd take the team on himself, he replied, "I'd have to have a go wouldn't I".