Not Scotland. Not even Wales
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AdiT said:
Not far from this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9T3A2sQlmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpjXpZ-HIGA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9T3A2sQlmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpjXpZ-HIGA
I had a bit of difficulty finding the location of the first video until I twigged it was wrongly captioned. 
It should be the C1311 (Puente de Montañana to Tremp). They pass this sign @2:19 - https://goo.gl/maps/0PSdl
The second one is the L511 (Isona to Coll de Nargó). They pass this sign @1:34 - https://goo.gl/maps/spGyK
The surface looks superb. Makes a lot of UK roads look like farm tracks in comparison.
Red Devil said:
I had a bit of difficulty finding the location of the first video until I twigged it was wrongly captioned. It should be the C1311 (Puente de Montañana to Tremp). They pass this sign @2:19 - https://goo.gl/maps/0PSdl
The second one is the L511 (Isona to Coll de Nargó). They pass this sign @1:34 - https://goo.gl/maps/spGyK
The surface looks superb. Makes a lot of UK roads look like farm tracks in comparison.
Red Devil said:
I had a bit of difficulty finding the location of the first video until I twigged it was wrongly captioned. It should be the C1311 (Puente de Montañana to Tremp). They pass this sign @2:19 - https://goo.gl/maps/0PSdl
The second one is the L511 (Isona to Coll de Nargó). They pass this sign @1:34 - https://goo.gl/maps/spGyK
The surface looks superb. Makes a lot of UK roads look like farm tracks in comparison.
Zed 44 said:
Yeah, kinda beats the Highlands hands down really. But there are almost as good roads in Europe but much closer to home.
I wouldn't totally agree with that, you can find some similar stuff in Highlands if you know where and when's best. Weather's worse of course, scenery much better imo.I think more to the point though, and something that people are missing, is that within an easy and comfortable day's drive of Calais, France is chock full of this stuff, countless miles of it. Again, with better scenery overall too imo. I think when the location is consistently hotter, the scenery gets bland or monochrome imvho.
Red Devil said:
I had a bit of difficulty finding the location of the first video until I twigged it was wrongly captioned. It should be the C1311 (Puente de Montañana to Tremp). They pass this sign @2:19 - https://goo.gl/maps/0PSdl
The second one is the L511 (Isona to Coll de Nargó). They pass this sign @1:34 - https://goo.gl/maps/spGyK
The surface looks superb. Makes a lot of UK roads look like farm tracks in comparison.
AdiT said:
Sorry about that.
No need to apologise. I've never driven in Spain so am not familiar with their road numbering/classification. AdiT said:
Don't know how I got it wrong as I took the road numbers from the GPS track overlay on google earth.
Google does weird stuff at times.It says this road is the A 836.
https://goo.gl/maps/GtpHRAuHgRu
Whereas the signage says it's the B9176.
Northern end.
https://goo.gl/maps/unFTmWefbBz
Southern end.
https://goo.gl/maps/BunncTUJrXw
The B9176 is an anomaly as it is completely out of zone.
http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title...
It was formerly the A836 but lost that designation nearly 25 years ago.
http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title...
http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title...
Edited by Red Devil on Tuesday 22 September 08:48
heebeegeetee said:
Zed 44 said:
Yeah, kinda beats the Highlands hands down really. But there are almost as good roads in Europe but much closer to home.
I wouldn't totally agree with that, you can find some similar stuff in Highlands if you know where and when's best. Weather's worse of course, scenery much better imo.D
Agreed. Having done both. Some fantastic roads in Scotland of that there is no doubt. But thousand upon thousand of miles of them mile after mile there is not.
Northern Spain and especially the Pyrenees, roads are just beyond description and if your south of Leeds and willing to take the ferry from either Portsmouth or Plymouth, they are closer.
GetCarter said:
heebeegeetee said:
Zed 44 said:
Yeah, kinda beats the Highlands hands down really. But there are almost as good roads in Europe but much closer to home.
I wouldn't totally agree with that, you can find some similar stuff in Highlands if you know where and when's best. Weather's worse of course, scenery much better imo.Northern Spain and especially the Pyrenees, roads are just beyond description and if your south of Leeds and willing to take the ferry from either Portsmouth or Plymouth, they are closer.
Wozy68 said:
Some fantastic roads in Scotland of that there is no doubt. But thousand upon thousand of miles of them mile after mile there is not.
Northern Spain and especially the Pyrenees, roads are just beyond description and if your south of Leeds and willing to take the ferry from either Portsmouth or Plymouth, they are closer.
True, but as I said, you don't even need to go that far. Just a comfortable and relaxed days drive from Calais (6-8 hours) and you're on the doorstep of thousands of miles of empty and wonderful roads. You can start from Nancy and then take in Vosges, Jura and poss Alsace en route to Alps. Or Annecy, which is beautiful and Mont Blanc etc is just down the road. Or Lyon, which is a great city in itself and has wondrous roads south of. Or zip straight down the centre of France to the large area west of Valence, and use the great roads used in countless Monte Carlo rallies, past and present.Northern Spain and especially the Pyrenees, roads are just beyond description and if your south of Leeds and willing to take the ferry from either Portsmouth or Plymouth, they are closer.
Slowly but surely I'm working my way round to quite a lot of Europe by now (haven't done the Dolomites though). We've had some holidays in Northern Spain and have done a good bit of Pyrenees, (still a fair bit to do though) but I still think France is my favourite.
Having said that, I love Scotland. I've had many fantastic drives up there, had a great break with some mate last year and had a hoot. The single tracks are not proper hooning roads to be fair, but they have their own elements of interest. I've found myself on many normal width roads, utterly deserted and wonderful scenery. I'd go to Scotland at the drop of a hat at every opportunity.
heebeegeetee said:
I wouldn't totally agree with that, you can find some similar stuff in Highlands if you know where and when's best. Weather's worse of course, scenery much better imo.
I think more to the point though, and something that people are missing, is that within an easy and comfortable day's drive of Calais, France is chock full of this stuff, countless miles of it. Again, with better scenery overall too imo. I think when the location is consistently hotter, the scenery gets bland or monochrome imvho.
I think more to the point though, and something that people are missing, is that within an easy and comfortable day's drive of Calais, France is chock full of this stuff, countless miles of it. Again, with better scenery overall too imo. I think when the location is consistently hotter, the scenery gets bland or monochrome imvho.
heebeegeetee said:
heebeegeetee said:
True, but as I said, you don't even need to go that far. Just a comfortable and relaxed days drive from Calais (6-8 hours) and you're on the doorstep of thousands of miles of empty and wonderful roads. You can start from Nancy and then take in Vosges, Jura and poss Alsace en route to Alps. Or Annecy, which is beautiful and Mont Blanc etc is just down the road. Or Lyon, which is a great city in itself and has wondrous roads south of. Or zip straight down the centre of France to the large area west of Valence, and use the great roads used in countless Monte Carlo rallies, past and present.
Slowly but surely I'm working my way round to quite a lot of Europe by now (haven't done the Dolomites though). We've had some holidays in Northern Spain and have done a good bit of Pyrenees, (still a fair bit to do though) but I still think France is my favourite.
Having said that, I love Scotland. I've had many fantastic drives up there, had a great break with some mate last year and had a hoot. The single tracks are not proper hooning roads to be fair, but they have their own elements of interest. I've found myself on many normal width roads, utterly deserted and wonderful scenery. I'd go to Scotland at the drop of a hat at every opportunity.
I was a little unsure of what you meant in your first response when you seemed to be saying that roads were better in Europe but scenery was better in Scotland because it was colder and wetter.Slowly but surely I'm working my way round to quite a lot of Europe by now (haven't done the Dolomites though). We've had some holidays in Northern Spain and have done a good bit of Pyrenees, (still a fair bit to do though) but I still think France is my favourite.
Having said that, I love Scotland. I've had many fantastic drives up there, had a great break with some mate last year and had a hoot. The single tracks are not proper hooning roads to be fair, but they have their own elements of interest. I've found myself on many normal width roads, utterly deserted and wonderful scenery. I'd go to Scotland at the drop of a hat at every opportunity.
We have done 267 miles today over what is probably the most unexciting part of our trip but hot weather or not I would put the scenery pretty high up. Tomorrow, we're into proper green Spain and up to Oviedo. Another 200 mile day and I would suggest that the roads will be much better than anything Scotland or Wales could ever boast about and so to the scenery.
I agree with you about Europe from Calais. Many good roads much closer than the areas you suggest.
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