VW in trouble over alleged US emission test manipulations
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Most people having a go at diesels are having a go at the government which promoted their use.
We don't need any new rules or bans anyway, at least not with respect to cars. We just need the loop holes in the existing ones closed and then to have them enforced properly.
We don't need any new rules or bans anyway, at least not with respect to cars. We just need the loop holes in the existing ones closed and then to have them enforced properly.
Edited by kambites on Saturday 3rd October 12:50
EricE said:
Somebody tested how much power the cars lose in the "test mode": around 10%
http://www.tflcar.com/2015/10/how-much-power-does-...
Ouch, my wifes Mk6 Golf only has 105bhp, dread what to think it would be like with 10% less power.http://www.tflcar.com/2015/10/how-much-power-does-...
Well to keep everyone happy there is only one solution...electric, but wait...power stations burn coal, gas, biomass, uranium etc to generate electricity but this produces pollution so it doesn't matter which way a car is powered it's going to be dirty so we need to convince ourselves which form of dirty power we find acceptable.
Hydrogen is the answer but that's way off in the future the technology isn't ready for the world wide fuel consumption that's required.
Will it mean all cars engines will be strangled for power and economy from now on to make them clean possibly the only good that will come out the VW scandal is there will be much cleaner cars on the road in the next couple of years.
Hydrogen is the answer but that's way off in the future the technology isn't ready for the world wide fuel consumption that's required.
Will it mean all cars engines will be strangled for power and economy from now on to make them clean possibly the only good that will come out the VW scandal is there will be much cleaner cars on the road in the next couple of years.
TA14 said:
Where are all of these quotes saying that diesel cars should be banned?
Well from just a quick flick through of less than half of just one of the multiple threads we find the following, note it's not a comprehensive post by post check.St John Smythe said:
I for one will be glad when over the next few years diesels inevitably start disappearing from our roads
trickywoo said:
I hate the sound and smell of burnt diesel so if there are fewer on the road its good for me.
ORD said:
there's no good reason to tolerate diesels in major cities. A complete ban would be wholly sensible in London (for passenger cars).
DonkeyApple said:
I would certainly love to see non resident cars kept out of Town and diesel PLGs banned.
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I'm certainly pleased that we may now be focussing on direct, domestic air quality as a priority and I'm certainly pleased that diesel may transpire to be a casualty of this change
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I'm certainly pleased that we may now be focussing on direct, domestic air quality as a priority and I'm certainly pleased that diesel may transpire to be a casualty of this change
0a said:
I can't help but hope it rids us of VAG's unrefined diesel engines and the dull cars they go in. Good riddance.
"Technology" that took us back 30 or 40 years in terms of refinement.
"Technology" that took us back 30 or 40 years in terms of refinement.
GilbertD said:
Why isn't everyone jumping up and down with glee that there is a glimmer of hope that finally we may see the end of diesel cars?
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el romeral said:
This is brilliant, I really hope it is the beginning of the end for diesel family cars.
Then later of course the usual PH gang mentality rocks up and starts the abuse and picking on a single poster just because he won't bend to your will.Pan Pan Pan said:
MarshPhantom said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
They certainly don't need your sort who sees nothing wrong with banning a certain type of vehicle owing to vague and unprovable myths that only diesel cars cause pollution. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
If you can you point me to anywhere on this thread were someone has said diesel cars are the only source of pollution, please do.
The true fruitcakes on here, are the ones who think diesel cars should be banned.
Edited by Pan Pan Pan on Saturday 3rd October 12:18
FiF said:
St John Smythe said:
I for one will be glad when over the next few years diesels inevitably start disappearing from our roads
trickywoo said:
I hate the sound and smell of burnt diesel so if there are fewer on the road its good for me.
ORD said:
there's no good reason to tolerate diesels in major cities. A complete ban would be wholly sensible in London (for passenger cars).
DonkeyApple said:
I would certainly love to see non resident cars kept out of Town and diesel PLGs banned.
and
I'm certainly pleased that we may now be focussing on direct, domestic air quality as a priority and I'm certainly pleased that diesel may transpire to be a casualty of this change
and
I'm certainly pleased that we may now be focussing on direct, domestic air quality as a priority and I'm certainly pleased that diesel may transpire to be a casualty of this change
0a said:
I can't help but hope it rids us of VAG's unrefined diesel engines and the dull cars they go in. Good riddance.
"Technology" that took us back 30 or 40 years in terms of refinement.
"Technology" that took us back 30 or 40 years in terms of refinement.
GilbertD said:
Why isn't everyone jumping up and down with glee that there is a glimmer of hope that finally we may see the end of diesel cars?
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el romeral said:
This is brilliant, I really hope it is the beginning of the end for diesel family cars.
Then later of course the usual PH gang mentality rocks up and starts the abuse and picking on a single poster just because he won't bend to your will.FiF said:
TA14 said:
Where are all of these quotes saying that diesel cars should be banned?
Well from just a quick flick through of less than half of just one of the multiple threads we find the following, note it's not a comprehensive post by post check.St John Smythe said:
I for one will be glad when over the next few years diesels inevitably start disappearing from our roads
trickywoo said:
I hate the sound and smell of burnt diesel so if there are fewer on the road its good for me.
ORD said:
there's no good reason to tolerate diesels in major cities. A complete ban would be wholly sensible in London (for passenger cars).
DonkeyApple said:
I would certainly love to see non resident cars kept out of Town and diesel PLGs banned.
and
I'm certainly pleased that we may now be focussing on direct, domestic air quality as a priority and I'm certainly pleased that diesel may transpire to be a casualty of this change
and
I'm certainly pleased that we may now be focussing on direct, domestic air quality as a priority and I'm certainly pleased that diesel may transpire to be a casualty of this change
0a said:
I can't help but hope it rids us of VAG's unrefined diesel engines and the dull cars they go in. Good riddance.
"Technology" that took us back 30 or 40 years in terms of refinement.
"Technology" that took us back 30 or 40 years in terms of refinement.
GilbertD said:
Why isn't everyone jumping up and down with glee that there is a glimmer of hope that finally we may see the end of diesel cars?
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el romeral said:
This is brilliant, I really hope it is the beginning of the end for diesel family cars.
Then later of course the usual PH gang mentality rocks up and starts the abuse and picking on a single poster just because he won't bend to your will.
Poking the bees nest again I see.
DonkeyApple said:
Yup. People who didn't grow up surrounded by diesels though. And those who were polluted by earlier industries mostly died off by the end of the 80s hence the sudden leap in average life expectancy after that period.
I don't think a 90 year old should worry too much about air pollution in contrast to a child today.
One thing that I would say to that is that in terms of breathing carcinogens, it's likely that the 90 year old smoked whereas it's unlikely that a child of today will ever smoke.I don't think a 90 year old should worry too much about air pollution in contrast to a child today.
The other thing is that a child born in the last few years is unlikely to ever be in an indoor smoky environment. The 90 year old probably had an entire career in a smoky workplace and spent a lot of his or her free time in smoky pubs.
Jimmy Recard said:
One thing that I would say to that is that in terms of breathing carcinogens, it's likely that the 90 year old smoked whereas it's unlikely that a child of today will ever smoke.
The other thing is that a child born in the last few years is unlikely to ever be in an indoor smoky environment. The 90 year old probably had an entire career in a smoky workplace and spent a lot of his or her free time in smoky pubs.
Most 90 year olds are either lying down in a box under the ground or have been burned.The other thing is that a child born in the last few years is unlikely to ever be in an indoor smoky environment. The 90 year old probably had an entire career in a smoky workplace and spent a lot of his or her free time in smoky pubs.
Klippie said:
Well to keep everyone happy there is only one solution...electric, but wait...power stations burn coal, gas, biomass, uranium etc to generate electricity but this produces pollution so it doesn't matter which way a car is powered it's going to be dirty so we need to convince ourselves which form of dirty power we find acceptable.
Hydrogen is the answer but that's way off in the future the technology isn't ready for the world wide fuel consumption that's required.
Will it mean all cars engines will be strangled for power and economy from now on to make them clean possibly the only good that will come out the VW scandal is there will be much cleaner cars on the road in the next couple of years.
You do know that to make hydrogen you need lots and lots of electricity don't you? Hydrogen is just an energy store, and a pretty inefficient one. The only benefit it brings is speed of refueling, but by any other measure it makes no sense.Hydrogen is the answer but that's way off in the future the technology isn't ready for the world wide fuel consumption that's required.
Will it mean all cars engines will be strangled for power and economy from now on to make them clean possibly the only good that will come out the VW scandal is there will be much cleaner cars on the road in the next couple of years.
To create petrol and diesel we also need to use electricty, about 7kWh per gallon.....enough to drive an EV about 25miles without burning the gallon of fuel.
98elise said:
You do know that to make hydrogen you need lots and lots of electricity don't you? Hydrogen is just an energy store, and a pretty inefficient one. The only benefit it brings is speed of refueling, but by any other measure it makes no sense.
To create petrol and diesel we also need to use electricty, about 7kWh per gallon.....enough to drive an EV about 25miles without burning the gallon of fuel.
Thats interesting as I have read a number of times that hydrogen will change everything.To create petrol and diesel we also need to use electricty, about 7kWh per gallon.....enough to drive an EV about 25miles without burning the gallon of fuel.
I guess theres no such thing as perpetual motion so energy has to come from somewhere!
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