Half a million VWs recalled, sneaky emissions software.

[anonymous-user]

KTF said:

Interesting as they said at the start that they have to turn the TC off which is how it probably triggers the 'cheat' mode. Yet on the test they didn't turn it off. Very strange.

Yep they definitely didn't turn it off. When you do the t/c light is solid not flashing. The only way you would know if you were in 'emissions cheat mode' would be to measure the NOx, it's hardly going to tell you on the dash. Bunch of muppets.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 2nd October 21:36

[skyrover]

Vipers said:

Another bit of humour.

Powered by a TDI so I hear

Edited by skyrover on Friday 2nd October 20:41

[CAPP0]

dmsims said:

It's interesting that many diesels are "engineered" to deliberately not rev to the limiter during the MOT emission test

Funny you should say that. I was out with a family member at the weekend who I haven't seen for a couple of years. He owns a couple of garages and used to be a Skoda main dealer. They offer MOTs amongst their services. He was telling me that for some time, the testers have noticed that diesel engines from certain other marques will only rev to 1500rpm during the MOT emissions test, but that the test is supposed to be that you rev until the governor kicks in? Apparently they reported this to the Ministry some time ago and were told to just crack on. Not that anyone is suggesting that either (a) other marques are up to the same game, or (b) that the authorities have been aware for any length of time....

[Oilchange]

Which other Marques I wonder?
And I wonder how they'd know they were in an mot...

[CAPP0]

Oilchange said:

Which other Marques I wonder?
And I wonder how they'd know they were in an mot...

He did tell me which others; two specifically. As for "how do they know", well, it's my guess that the parameters for MOT are very similar to those for the original test; wheels stationary, steering dead ahead, handbrake on, etc.

[Beati Dogu]

When the rear wheels are stationary on the dyno test, does it not think it's on snow/ice and drop the power anyway?

[JD]

Oilchange said:

Which other Marques I wonder?
And I wonder how they'd know they were in an mot...

I believe that quite a few VW products, petrol and diesel simply don’t rev to the limiter when in neutral.

[SR7492]

Will it be a good idea to 'purchase' a VW/Audi in the near future thinking I could get a cracking deal?

Or will it business as normal and this 'cheat scandal' won't affect their selling prices/deals . . . . if the figures are right, £18bn is A LOT of money to pay off!

[AW111]

Beati Dogu said:

When the rear wheels are stationary on the dyno test, does it not think it's on snow/ice and drop the power anyway?

No one but VW can say in advance how much power and economy will change, because the "emissions mode" is designed to only operate during emissions testing. It definitely won't be operating in that mode on a full power run!

In answer to your question, in order to run a 2wd car on a standard dyno, you need to turn the traction control off (by hook or by crook) to run the car properly.

[Scuffers]

JD said:

Oilchange said:

Which other Marques I wonder?
And I wonder how they'd know they were in an mot...

I believe that quite a few VW products, petrol and diesel simply don’t rev to the limiter when in neutral.

exactly,

plus the small fact that the MOT test does not measure NOx.

[xjay1337]

CAPP0 said:

Funny you should say that. I was out with a family member at the weekend who I haven't seen for a couple of years. He owns a couple of garages and used to be a Skoda main dealer. They offer MOTs amongst their services. He was telling me that for some time, the testers have noticed that diesel engines from certain other marques will only rev to 1500rpm during the MOT emissions test, but that the test is supposed to be that you rev until the governor kicks in? Apparently they reported this to the Ministry some time ago and were told to just crack on. Not that anyone is suggesting that either (a) other marques are up to the same game, or (b) that the authorities have been aware for any length of time....

I think you are really over analysing this.
I had a DSG GTI (petrol) which would only rev to 3500 stationary.
Bypass this VERY easily by turning off the ESP.
Lots of "normal" cars limit revs when stationary.
Diesels only get a smoke test, they are not tested for emissions.
Petrols are done at around 3500/4000 with a red line of 6/7k
So 2500 with a red line of 4500-5000 is about right percentage wise.
Move on. No conspiracy here.

[dmsims]

xjay1337 said:

I think you are really over analysing this.
I had a DSG GTI (petrol) which would only rev to 3500 stationary.
Bypass this VERY easily by turning off the ESP.
Lots of "normal" cars limit revs when stationary.
Diesels only get a smoke test, they are not tested for emissions.
Petrols are done at around 3500/4000 with a red line of 6/7k
So 2500 with a red line of 4500-5000 is about right percentage wise.
Move on. No conspiracy here.

I suggest you do a bit more research ........ woosh parrot

[Mr GrimNasty]

For people that believe the 'diesels are killing x thousand a year' nonsense, here is something that might educate you, it's specifically about EPA ozone limits - but the same concepts/fallacies/dishonesty apply to all 'pollutant' death claims/limits.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/10/04/new-climate-...

[KTF]

VW 'check your car' site now live: http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners/dieselinfo

[Munter]

KTF said:

VW 'check your car' site now live: http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners/dieselinfo

And it's instantly gone down.

[anonymous-user]

Mr GrimNasty said:

For people that believe the 'diesels are killing x thousand a year' nonsense, here is something that might educate you, it's specifically about EPA ozone limits - but the same concepts/fallacies/dishonesty apply to all 'pollutant' death claims/limits.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/10/04/new-climate-...

You're going to have to do better than a blog about ozone to dismiss research on "all pollutants". Are you serious? Google image search 'nox smog'. It's not hokum climate 'science'; you can fvcking see it, feel it and choke it up.

[Scuffers]

fblm said:

You're going to have to do better than a blog about ozone to dismiss research on "all pollutants". Are you serious? Google image search 'nox smog'. It's not hokum climate 'science'; you can fvcking see it, feel it and choke it up.

and where exactly have you personally experienced this?

[anonymous-user]

Scuffers said:

fblm said:

You're going to have to do better than a blog about ozone to dismiss research on "all pollutants". Are you serious? Google image search 'nox smog'. It's not hokum climate 'science'; you can fvcking see it, feel it and choke it up.

and where exactly have you personally experienced this?

Tokyo and Mexico City. Why?

[Scuffers]

fblm said:

Scuffers said:

fblm said:

You're going to have to do better than a blog about ozone to dismiss research on "all pollutants". Are you serious? Google image search 'nox smog'. It's not hokum climate 'science'; you can fvcking see it, feel it and choke it up.

and where exactly have you personally experienced this?

Tokyo and Mexico City. Why?

and the relevance to what is being talked about here being?

I have worked in mexico city, it;s by far the worst place I have ever tried to breath, but the relevance of air quality in the US or EU in comparison is just laughable)

[anonymous-user]

Scuffers said:

fblm said:

Scuffers said:

fblm said:

You're going to have to do better than a blog about ozone to dismiss research on "all pollutants". Are you serious? Google image search 'nox smog'. It's not hokum climate 'science'; you can fvcking see it, feel it and choke it up.

and where exactly have you personally experienced this?

Tokyo and Mexico City. Why?

and the relevance to what is being talked about here being?

I have worked in mexico city, it;s by far the worst place I have ever tried to breath, but the relevance of air quality in the US or EU in comparison is just laughable)

I have no idea what relevance it has, it was you who asked, you tell me! So Mexico is terrible and the US/EU are much better, fine. Have you stopped to wonder why? Do you think pollution emissions standards have anything to do with it? In any event, whilst I've never been, a good friend and long term resident of LA tells me its still really bad there in summer despite being many times better than 20 years ago. What is your point? Research by MIT suggests air pollution prematurely kills 200,000 people a year in the US and vehicle emissions are the biggest contributor. http://news.mit.edu/2013/study-air-pollution-cause... There are no doubt plenty of objections to the research and the findings, principally IMO the concept of premature deaths and the thorny old correlation and causation problem. Personally if I lived in a big city I think an early death would be preferable . I am skeptical of all research in the climate/environmental 'sciences' but MIT is hardly Anglia Polytechnic and if you are going to refute these numbers you've got to do a lot better than wildly extrapolating an unrelated blog about ozone.