Taxing a car that is just being bought
Discussion
LoonR1 said:
It can't start on any day of the month, because the computer system isn't configured to do that. If we want it to do that then it will cost a lot of money to do it, so we'll end up paying more anyway to recoup this cost.
As for it being a disgrace blah, blah. The most it can cost is less than £45. That's if you buy a top of the range, high emission amd therefore expensive to run car. A smaller more sensible car will probably cost less than £15. And this only happens when you buy a car. Time it right a,d your rebate will offset this anyway, as you'll get the unused full months back, whereas under the old system that went with the old car
You're all pretty pathetic to be bleating about this.
Do I really have to point out that the disgrace comment was dripping with sarcasm?As for it being a disgrace blah, blah. The most it can cost is less than £45. That's if you buy a top of the range, high emission amd therefore expensive to run car. A smaller more sensible car will probably cost less than £15. And this only happens when you buy a car. Time it right a,d your rebate will offset this anyway, as you'll get the unused full months back, whereas under the old system that went with the old car
You're all pretty pathetic to be bleating about this.
It's all a massive scam.
I "bought" a car from my dad on the 31st Oct, and he dropped it off at my sisters, to be kept off road until I can pick it up ( broke my ankle).
You CANNOT SORN it online until you get the v5. As soon as this came through the door on the 13th Nov, I SORNed it online, . . . . from the 13th?!
Now it says tax liable since the 1st Oct, so now I am waiting to get screwed for 2 months extra tax when I go to tax it in December, just because you can't SORN it straight away.
Cheating Welsh b
d s.
I "bought" a car from my dad on the 31st Oct, and he dropped it off at my sisters, to be kept off road until I can pick it up ( broke my ankle).
You CANNOT SORN it online until you get the v5. As soon as this came through the door on the 13th Nov, I SORNed it online, . . . . from the 13th?!
Now it says tax liable since the 1st Oct, so now I am waiting to get screwed for 2 months extra tax when I go to tax it in December, just because you can't SORN it straight away.
Cheating Welsh b
d s.RB5Bird said:
It's all a massive scam.
I "bought" a car from my dad on the 31st Oct, and he dropped it off at my sisters, to be kept off road until I can pick it up ( broke my ankle).
You CANNOT SORN it online until you get the v5. As soon as this came through the door on the 13th Nov, I SORNed it online, . . . . from the 13th?!
Now it says tax liable since the 1st Oct, so now I am waiting to get screwed for 2 months extra tax when I go to tax it in December, just because you can't SORN it straight away.
Cheating Welsh bd s.
Then you are not the sharpest tool in the box, just a tool!I "bought" a car from my dad on the 31st Oct, and he dropped it off at my sisters, to be kept off road until I can pick it up ( broke my ankle).
You CANNOT SORN it online until you get the v5. As soon as this came through the door on the 13th Nov, I SORNed it online, . . . . from the 13th?!
Now it says tax liable since the 1st Oct, so now I am waiting to get screwed for 2 months extra tax when I go to tax it in December, just because you can't SORN it straight away.
Cheating Welsh b
d s.Should have got your dad, or even you to SORN it on the 31st, or better still the 1st Nov. Then transfer the V5 at your leisure some time in the future, if you really want to show another registered keeper on the V5.
The V5 is NOT A SIGN OF OWNERSHIP.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
But when you come to sell you will get your outstanding whole months back
Not necessarily , October 8th I bought a golf 1.2 and taxed it that day, £110 PA, Nov 15th I couldn't stand it anymore so PX'd it Today I get my refund by cheque £36.66 so the tax on a golf is £110 PA or £73.33 for 2 months
I ring up but the DVLA is still in the 60s , I have to write to them and if it's wrong they'll issue another cheque
wack said:
Not necessarily , October 8th I bought a golf 1.2 and taxed it that day, £110 PA, Nov 15th I couldn't stand it anymore so PX'd it
Today I get my refund by cheque £36.66 so the tax on a golf is £110 PA or £73.33 for 2 months
I ring up but the DVLA is still in the 60s , I have to write to them and if it's wrong they'll issue another cheque
Firstly, either your figures or dates are wrong.Today I get my refund by cheque £36.66 so the tax on a golf is £110 PA or £73.33 for 2 months
I ring up but the DVLA is still in the 60s , I have to write to them and if it's wrong they'll issue another cheque
Secondly, boo ha ha. You changed your mind about a car you bought and it cost you a few quid.
oblio said:
We have sorted insurance out but my understanding is that it will need taxing under the new rules [b[as any tax on the vehicle would have been refunded back to the seller
Not strictly true, I recently sold my daughters car and although I had paid the road tax it was refunded to the registered keeper. ie my daughter.SLCZ3 said:
oblio said:
We have sorted insurance out but my understanding is that it will need taxing under the new rules [b[as any tax on the vehicle would have been refunded back to the seller
Not strictly true, I recently sold my daughters car and although I had paid the road tax it was refunded to the registered keeper. ie my daughter.LoonR1 said:
What domyounexoect them to do? Ring everyone up and just check for that minuscule minority like you? Bear in mind that the RK is responsible for road tax, so therefore refunding to them is strictly correct too.
One would think that there would be some electronic system- maybe use computer stuff, to record who is paying the road tax, ergo the registered keeper is not necessarily the legal owner of the vehicle, and so may not be the payee, I think there are quite a lot of those situations.SLCZ3 said:
One would think that there would be some electronic system- maybe use computer stuff, to record who is paying the road tax, ergo the registered keeper is not necessarily the legal owner of the vehicle, and so may not be the payee, I think there are quite a lot of those situations.
There may well be where someone is paying for something for someone else, such as their car insuramce. In those cases it is always rebated to the card that was used to pay. However, as the RK is legally responsible for the road tax then it logically follows that they should relieve the rebate. There isn't much more to debate on that. anonymous said:
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If buying privately I wouldn't worry about it if it is taxed when you collect it - DVLA don't know it's been sold until they get the V5 from the seller and that won't be the same day!I collected a used car from a dealer 29/11 last year - got my mate to drive it home on his trade plates and didn't use it until I taxed it on 1/12. Job Jobbed!
But it is farcical that they manage to implement a new system like this before they tell their computer software that while a year may consist of 12 months it does also consist of 365, or 366 days every fourth year! I worked for an insurance company back in the late 70s and we calculated motor premiums for additional vehicles, vehicle changes or sold vehicles pro-rata on a daily basis back then, using a calendar, fingers or one of them new-fangled calculator thingies!
And the only reason I can see is they like the idea of seller and buyer paying for the whole month every time a car changes hands - F
g crooks!VOSA MOT site is about as good - got my car MOT'd 4 weeks ahead of expiry but their website produces a certificate expiring a year from test date, not 1 year from expiry of existing MOT.
Testing station cannot help - dates are populated by VOSA. Sent them an E-mail, automated reply says they hope to reply within 8 WEEKS - FFS!
Not much use if I was trying to sell it with a year's ticket!
Mr Tidy said:
If buying privately I wouldn't worry about it if it is taxed when you collect it - DVLA don't know it's been sold until they get the V5 from the seller and that won't be the same day!
I collected a used car from a dealer 29/11 last year - got my mate to drive it home on his trade plates and didn't use it until I taxed it on 1/12. Job Jobbed!
But it is farcical that they manage to implement a new system like this before they tell their computer software that while a year may consist of 12 months it does also consist of 365, or 366 days every fourth year! I worked for an insurance company back in the late 70s and we calculated motor premiums for additional vehicles, vehicle changes or sold vehicles pro-rata on a daily basis back then, using a calendar, fingers or one of them new-fangled calculator thingies!
And the only reason I can see is they like the idea of seller and buyer paying for the whole month every time a car changes hands - Fg crooks!
VOSA MOT site is about as good - got my car MOT'd 4 weeks ahead of expiry but their website produces a certificate expiring a year from test date, not 1 year from expiry of existing MOT.
Testing station cannot help - dates are populated by VOSA. Sent them an E-mail, automated reply says they hope to reply within 8 WEEKS - FFS!
Not much use if I was trying to sell it with a year's ticket!
How many times can the same old BS about gaining extra months tax be trotted out? Most monthly tax is probably around £15. Multiply up the private sales, knock off the trade sales amd it'll probably net itself off, or produce such a small profit that it will be a drop in the ocean. I collected a used car from a dealer 29/11 last year - got my mate to drive it home on his trade plates and didn't use it until I taxed it on 1/12. Job Jobbed!
But it is farcical that they manage to implement a new system like this before they tell their computer software that while a year may consist of 12 months it does also consist of 365, or 366 days every fourth year! I worked for an insurance company back in the late 70s and we calculated motor premiums for additional vehicles, vehicle changes or sold vehicles pro-rata on a daily basis back then, using a calendar, fingers or one of them new-fangled calculator thingies!
And the only reason I can see is they like the idea of seller and buyer paying for the whole month every time a car changes hands - F
g crooks!VOSA MOT site is about as good - got my car MOT'd 4 weeks ahead of expiry but their website produces a certificate expiring a year from test date, not 1 year from expiry of existing MOT.
Testing station cannot help - dates are populated by VOSA. Sent them an E-mail, automated reply says they hope to reply within 8 WEEKS - FFS!
Not much use if I was trying to sell it with a year's ticket!
As a seller, I lie, the idea of gettin some tax back when I sell my car, as a buyer I, not that arsed either way. The worst it can possibly cost me is £45 every time I buy / sell a car that's less than £2 a month if I do it every two years. It's peanuts. For those who see it as a huge amount, you really need to consider whether you can afford to run a car.
LoonR1 said:
There may well be where someone is paying for something for someone else, such as their car insuramce. In those cases it is always rebated to the card that was used to pay. However, as the RK is legally responsible for the road tax then it logically follows that they should relieve the rebate. There isn't much more to debate on that.
So it is possible for a private company to return the unused/remaining monies involved, to the person who paid for it in the first place, but the DVLA cannot, please remind me which century we are in!!! SLCZ3 said:
So it is possible for a private company to return the unused/remaining monies involved, to the person who paid for it in the first place, but the DVLA cannot, please remind me which century we are in!!!
That'll be because their IT systems are configured to do daily, whereas DVLA's aren't. If they were to spend £X million developing their systems then they may be able to do it and then all that cost would be passed back to us via increased road tax. It's peanuts. Stop fretting.
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