LG Flat 4k OLED TV...curved only?
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Rich_W said:
https://www.avforums.com/review/lg-65ef950v-ef950-...
These guys think the equivalent Panasonic is better
These guys think the equivalent Panasonic is better
Last line of that review said:
we'd prefer to have a flat screen. So whilst the Panasonic TX-65CZ952B remains our reference point for image quality, if we were buying a TV right now we'd almost certainly go for the LG 65EF950V.
Depends how you read that I suppose. Are they saying taking the cost into account the LG is better, or do they mean a slightly poorer flat screen edges out a superior curved one? Anyway the Panasonic isn't available as a flat version or as a 55 inch (I've measured time and time again, but this is for my 'bedroom' setup and a 65 inch just won't fit) so it's no good for me. HDTVtest also held a 'shootout' between the two OLED's and the last-of-the-line Plasma VT60...http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/shootout-oled-20151...
The Panasonic just edged the LG OLED.
Hoover. said:
Just been reading a bit more and LG do 77inch OLED curved, which you can adjust the curve on depending on what you are watching, and how many people are watching, and where they are watching it from..... 
Oh well, problem solved! We can all go home! ;-)Edited by varsas on Monday 23 November 20:47
If one has higher specs than the other then definitely go for it.
The Panasonic costs £3k more, I struggle to see how it could be any better, especially when as far as I know LG are the only company making OLED panels of this size?
I'm looking forward to going through all this in a years time hopefully, just need to drop in price a little more, putting up with LCD after my trusty Plasma finally died.
The Panasonic costs £3k more, I struggle to see how it could be any better, especially when as far as I know LG are the only company making OLED panels of this size?
I'm looking forward to going through all this in a years time hopefully, just need to drop in price a little more, putting up with LCD after my trusty Plasma finally died.
Rich_W said:
https://www.avforums.com/review/lg-65ef950v-ef950-...
These guys think the equivalent Panasonic is better
They also say they couldn't justify the price difference for the improvements most people wouldn't even notice and if they were going to buy one now they would buy the LG These guys think the equivalent Panasonic is better
Digitalize said:
If one has higher specs than the other then definitely go for it.
The Panasonic costs £3k more, I struggle to see how it could be any better, especially when as far as I know LG are the only company making OLED panels of this size?
I'm looking forward to going through all this in a years time hopefully, just need to drop in price a little more, putting up with LCD after my trusty Plasma finally died.
People expect an announcment from LG at CES in January, it's thought that they will announce a new range of OLED TV's which can go much brighter (for HDR), have a wider colour range and are cheaper. It's also expected that Panasonic will widen their range too.The Panasonic costs £3k more, I struggle to see how it could be any better, especially when as far as I know LG are the only company making OLED panels of this size?
I'm looking forward to going through all this in a years time hopefully, just need to drop in price a little more, putting up with LCD after my trusty Plasma finally died.
Edited by varsas on Tuesday 24th November 13:35
varsas said:
People expect an announcment from LG at CES in January, it's expected that they will announce a new range of OLED TV's which can go much brighter and are cheaper.
Yeah, I think each year they'll be getting better, cheaper and more available, we're only on 2nd gen of true OLED TVs (ignoring the small efforts of a few years ago).It's an exciting time as it's finally a replacement for Plasma, which was sadly killed off due to cost, energy efficiency and size. With OLED, 4k and HDR all coming to market at similar times, in a few years we could regularly be watching media which has so much more detail than what we currently consider a reference Blu-Ray.
With the HDR rise it will be interesting to see how companies like Samsung keep pushing their LCD technologies to keep up with OLED, which should have an obvious advantage in the HDR game once they get a bit brighter.
What is going to be the source material for this HDR stuff guys? Currently everything for telly has to sit within a 1 volt parameter for transmission - that is 16-235 levels of luminance. Whilst you can pack about fifteen stops of dynamic range into a TV camera using a flat log shooting mode like Sony SLog 3 (compared to a standard TV camera's 8 stops shooting WYSIWYG 709) this is only suitable for certain productions, and then...it later has to fit in the REC 709 constraints for transmission or encoding - a volt! It can be no brighter than 235 but it does look far better and less 'electronic' and clipped.
Pic on left shows the flat 'washed out' high dynamic range image, and middle one the corrected result - but it all has to sit within the Low and high clip levels. So tell me more about HDR TV possibilities as a volt is nothing (ohh and having just bought a new camera - dohh)!
Pic on left shows the flat 'washed out' high dynamic range image, and middle one the corrected result - but it all has to sit within the Low and high clip levels. So tell me more about HDR TV possibilities as a volt is nothing (ohh and having just bought a new camera - dohh)!
REC 709 is being superceeded though, the HDR TV's are going beyond it. A flag in the signal informs the TV of the new format being used (there are many HDR formats) and the TV reacts accordingly. LG say the OLED can display the equivelent of 20 F stops. I don't know how this works electrically though inside a 1v signal, but with it all being digital does that matter?
varsas said:
REC 709 is being superceeded though, the HDR TV's are going beyond it. A flag in the signal informs the TV of the new format being used (there are many HDR formats) and the TV reacts accordingly. LG say the OLED can display the equivelent of 20 F stops. I don't know how this works electrically though inside a 1v signal, but with it all being digital does that matter?
This is a can of worms! I think you can easily scale 16 (or 0) to be black, 50 to be white and 100 to be twice as white (its kinda what shooting log does) - contouring may be an issue though unless its 10 bit rather than current 8 bit (1024 levels v 256). But you would have to change the setup of every system and camera and edit suite in TV land! Out of my depth here! And my 4k, 10 bit, cine log, 15 stop camera is brand new so don't go changing 
varsas said:
I don't know how this works electrically though inside a 1v signal, but with it all being digital does that matter?
Camera sensors are, of course analogue, the digital conversion is done slightly upstream of the sensor. Presumably the extra range is done in the sensor of the cameras, although that's about as far as my knowledge goes.Ken Figenus said:
This is a can of worms! I think you can easily scale 16 (or 0) to be black, 50 to be white and 100 to be twice as white (its kinda what shooting log does) - contouring may be an issue though unless its 10 bit rather than current 8 bit (1024 levels v 256). But you would have to change the setup of every system and camera and edit suite in TV land! Out of my depth here! And my 4k, 10 bit, cine log, 15 stop camera is brand new so don't go changing
Out of professional curiosity, what have you got?
It depends on what you call expensive. By Broadcast and Movie standards it's not, by consumer standards it's eye watering. Ken's got quite a few accessories mounted on it too, all of which add up.
Put it this way, the battery on the back is the cheap bit and they cost around £300 each, depending on spec.
The lens probably costs more than the camera though.
It looks a lovely bit of kit. What sort of stuff do you do Ken?
Put it this way, the battery on the back is the cheap bit and they cost around £300 each, depending on spec.
The lens probably costs more than the camera though.
It looks a lovely bit of kit. What sort of stuff do you do Ken?
Super Slo Mo said:
It depends on what you call expensive. By Broadcast and Movie standards it's not, by consumer standards it's eye watering. Ken's got quite a few accessories mounted on it too, all of which add up.
Put it this way, the battery on the back is the cheap bit and they cost around £300 each, depending on spec.
The lens probably costs more than the camera though.
It looks a lovely bit of kit. What sort of stuff do you do Ken?
Spot on. Put it this way, the battery on the back is the cheap bit and they cost around £300 each, depending on spec.
The lens probably costs more than the camera though.
It looks a lovely bit of kit. What sort of stuff do you do Ken?
I mostly do Super Slo Mo now
(but it ain't clean as a whistle as the faster you go the more it has to chuck away in order to get it down on the card in time). Do all sorts mate from primetime TV to corporate, but dont do film/drama.I bought the new LG 55EF950 55" FLAT OLED TV a couple of weeks ago. It's awesome. I'm really picky with my TVs, my last was a Panasonic VT plasma which was very impressive. But the OLED just blows it away, it is incredible. I also love the OS, it's so easy to use and great having Netflix, Amazon, Youtube, etc all pop up along the menu bar at the bottom.
The blacks are the best part, sometimes when I switch off my Sky box I think the TV has switched off too, it's perfectly black, then I walk back in the room later and the LG screen saver is on! You really need to see it properly set up, with good quality content. It's amazing!
The blacks are the best part, sometimes when I switch off my Sky box I think the TV has switched off too, it's perfectly black, then I walk back in the room later and the LG screen saver is on! You really need to see it properly set up, with good quality content. It's amazing!
oobster said:
This thread makes me want a new telly.
Nothing wrong with the 42" Tosh LCD I've got just now, just need to figure out a way to get the purchase of a new LG OLED past the Mrs!
Go and watch an LG OLED 4k TV, come home and convince yourself there's nothing wrong with your current TV. Good luck Nothing wrong with the 42" Tosh LCD I've got just now, just need to figure out a way to get the purchase of a new LG OLED past the Mrs!
But then I know I am the minority of people who think a TV is wrong if it doesn't display colour well, I hate my LCD replacement Panasonic gave me for my G10 Plasma, but a free TV under warranty when the Plasma was 5 years old was an alright deal I guess.
zed4 said:
I bought the new LG 55EF950 55" FLAT OLED TV a couple of weeks ago. It's awesome. I'm really picky with my TVs, my last was a Panasonic VT plasma which was very impressive. But the OLED just blows it away, it is incredible. I also love the OS, it's so easy to use and great having Netflix, Amazon, Youtube, etc all pop up along the menu bar at the bottom.
The blacks are the best part, sometimes when I switch off my Sky box I think the TV has switched off too, it's perfectly black, then I walk back in the room later and the LG screen saver is on! You really need to see it properly set up, with good quality content. It's amazing!
Great, hope my experience is the same as yours! How did you buy yours? Online or in store? From Currys?The blacks are the best part, sometimes when I switch off my Sky box I think the TV has switched off too, it's perfectly black, then I walk back in the room later and the LG screen saver is on! You really need to see it properly set up, with good quality content. It's amazing!
varsas said:
zed4 said:
I bought the new LG 55EF950 55" FLAT OLED TV a couple of weeks ago. It's awesome. I'm really picky with my TVs, my last was a Panasonic VT plasma which was very impressive. But the OLED just blows it away, it is incredible. I also love the OS, it's so easy to use and great having Netflix, Amazon, Youtube, etc all pop up along the menu bar at the bottom.
The blacks are the best part, sometimes when I switch off my Sky box I think the TV has switched off too, it's perfectly black, then I walk back in the room later and the LG screen saver is on! You really need to see it properly set up, with good quality content. It's amazing!
Great, hope my experience is the same as yours! How did you buy yours? Online or in store? From Currys?The blacks are the best part, sometimes when I switch off my Sky box I think the TV has switched off too, it's perfectly black, then I walk back in the room later and the LG screen saver is on! You really need to see it properly set up, with good quality content. It's amazing!
Digitalize said:
I am the minority of people who think a TV is wrong if it doesn't display colour well, I hate my LCD replacement.
NO COMERADE! Stand up for your rights! I am super critical of displays and marketing (dynamic contrast type BS) (OMG the mess that is my parents absolute delight of a branded £350 32"LED Xmas present last year...ashamed 
) most are pants... I bought a Kuro plasma years ago and it is still my reference monitor. It is amazing and every single day I amaze at it. I connect my camera after a day's HD shoot to it and I trust it to tell me what I got wrong!OLED I have on my phone = superb :-)
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