Turkey Shoots Down Jet Near Syria Border

[smithyithy]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-24/caught-ta...

[soad]

Lefty said:

mcgandalf said:

News breaking that a Russian soldier has been killed in the search for the downed pilots.

Was he on the helicopter which did an emergency landing earlier - killed by 'rebels' or others on the ground?

What a mess.

Linky?

Russian Jet Shot Down By Turkey: Live Updates
http://news.sky.com/story/1593378/russian-jet-shot...

[Lefty]

Yeah on skynews now, ta.

Did it come down on the Syrian or Turkish side? Could it have been Syrians that killed the pilot and the soldier?

[vonuber]

Eric Mc said:

Maybe Jeremy Corbyn was right after all. Just keep out of the area. It looks like it's such a mess that mistakes and misunderstandings are going to abound - with potential for political embarrassment and tragedy everywhere.

Don't be daft. He's a Marxist traitor pinko commie peace loving nazi warmonger who eata babies and whose real name is mohammed al-isis and he wants to turn the UK into an islamic-republican-communist-eu-socialist-dictatorship.

[Tannedbaldhead]

bhstewie said:

Eric Mc said:

If people are essentially part of a suicide cult, maybe mass extermination is what they want to bring on themselves.

I was thinking more of the Turkish "official" state (not sure of the word) forces shooting down the plane in the first place.

We read of planes coming close to UK territory. OK I know the media like to dramatise and it happens frequently but there isn't a cat in hells that we'd shoot one down if it did venture into our territory because to do so would serve no purpose and would be quite literally be poking the bear to make a cheap and mad political point - Turkey seem to have done just that.

I'm probably taking a very simplistic and naive view but it seems dumb in the extreme.

It's not dumb. Russia has been regularly overflying Turkish airspace. This isn't just a Turkish claim NATO examination of Russian aircraft flightpaths have confirmed this to be the case. Assuming this plane did violate Turkish sovereign territory they are perfectly within their rights to down that plane. End off.

Imagine Latvian planes were violating Russian airspace. There is no doubt the Russians would down them and we'd all shake our heads and say "silly Latvians. Should have known better." If however Russians were regularly violating Latvian airspace and the Latvians eventually took a "know what? fk it!" And launched the SAMs we'd all be up in arms, calling the Latvian reckless idiots and moaning that we are treaty bound to back them up.

It goes like this. Unfriendly jet in your airspace? Don't want it there? You can shoot it? No ifs no buts no maybes. Consequences? Doesn't matter. Jet's there. By right you can shoot it. So why not?

[Eric Mc]

vonuber said:

Eric Mc said:

Maybe Jeremy Corbyn was right after all. Just keep out of the area. It looks like it's such a mess that mistakes and misunderstandings are going to abound - with potential for political embarrassment and tragedy everywhere.

Don't be daft. He's a Marxist traitor pinko commie peace loving nazi warmonger who eata babies and whose real name is mohammed al-isis and he wants to turn the UK into an islamic-republican-communist-eu-socialist-dictatorship.

Apart from all that - was he right?

[ZR1cliff]

Cobnapint said:

Never trusted Turkey, never will. Letting them in the EU would be a grave error of judgement.

Looks like having them in NATO was at the minute.

+1

Showed fantastic restraint and patience when the Kurds were nearly over run in Kobane by IS, near the Turkish border (I know the Turks and Kurds are at each others throats), yet get over edgy when the Russians fly near their border.

[marksx]

Well, that NATO statement and the one Obama has made don't seem to have any sympathy toward the Russians. Putin will be pleased.

[vonuber]

What's with the insistence on removing assad? Is it because we think we can get in'our' guy who will be more amenable?

[bitchstewie]

Tannedbaldhead said:

It goes like this. Unfriendly jet in your airspace? Don't want it there? You can shoot it? No ifs no buts no maybes. Consequences? Doesn't matter. Jet's there. By right you can shoot it. So why not?

I've no doubt they're within their rights.

Do you think they would have done it without the backing of NATO?

Do you think it's made the situation better or worse?

[Dr Jekyll]

There was a comment on radio 4 earlier that this was the first time a NATO country has shot down a Russian aircraft since the 1950s. What was the previous incident?

[Eric Mc]

I think the Russians have shot down more "Western" aircraft than the other way round.

[otolith]

Eric Mc said:

Maybe Jeremy Corbyn was right after all. Just keep out of the area. It looks like it's such a mess that mistakes and misunderstandings are going to abound - with potential for political embarrassment and tragedy everywhere.

Yep, ignore it, it will probably go away, in the meantime let anyone who doesn't like it come and live here. Oh, and bankers, grr, bad bankers.

[Morningside]

The st has finally hit the fan.

[smithyithy]

vonuber said:

What's with the insistence on removing assad? Is it because we think we can get in'our' guy who will be more amenable?

Differing religious idealogy conflicts with our Gulf buddies and affects their / our gas / oil etc.

Russia wants to keep Assad in to help his Iranian allies and control gas through the country.

I think....

[Phud]

Eric Mc said:

I think the Russians have shot down more "Western" aircraft than the other way round.

As normal you seem to take a generic term to make a point, ok so how many russian aircraft do you think the west has shot down? Please include all the russian aircraft shot down in Korea, Vietnam, Iran, Iraq and other theaters.

[Daz68]

Very scary from where this could go now. Russia it seems look to be in the wrong but Putin having an Airliner bombed and now a fighter jet downed are a wrong enemy to toy with. We are now going to see the real side of Putin in the next few weeks and his real agenda.

[marksx]

Dr Jekyll said:

There was a comment on radio 4 earlier that this was the first time a NATO country has shot down a Russian aircraft since the 1950s. What was the previous incident?

MiGs during Korean war?

[rich85uk]

i do hope both pilots were killed quickly, and the one where his parachute fails from the shooting i really hope he was dead before he fell

sadly they were just sitting ducks, listen to the 'moderate rebels' laugh RIP

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6ae_1448377068

[chilistrucker]

I bet the Isis terrorists in Syria, Belgium, France, Peckham etc are all patting each other on the back tonight, laughing and joking with each other about how this is all panning out much better than they had expected.