Are Range Rovers in fact rubbish?
Discussion
Slow said:
Can we stop replying to willy nilly and his anti 4x4 views? Everyone needs a tractor for offroading or a hgv if you need to tow a car.
If you dont know why people keep saying this about him, read this
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
He is deluded and of course I should of drive a hgv on a 1200 mile round trip to collect my e30 bmw yesterday. My Range Rover flipped 22 times and I died 15 times while blinding and running people off the road in my menance to society!! Oh and its terrible on fuel getting 28mpg avg towing a trailer + car.
Make me laugh. Buy a fIf you dont know why people keep saying this about him, read this
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
He is deluded and of course I should of drive a hgv on a 1200 mile round trip to collect my e30 bmw yesterday. My Range Rover flipped 22 times and I died 15 times while blinding and running people off the road in my menance to society!! Oh and its terrible on fuel getting 28mpg avg towing a trailer + car.
king, eyewateringly expensive off roader (that's hundreds of hp and can tow bugger all) and use it off road and it breaks. A lot. Buy a 15 grand sports bike and it is capable of competing at the TT out of the show room, or commuting to work, or touring Europe (if not in a great deal of comfort). Willy Nilly said:
Slow said:
Can we stop replying to willy nilly and his anti 4x4 views? Everyone needs a tractor for offroading or a hgv if you need to tow a car.
If you dont know why people keep saying this about him, read this
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
He is deluded and of course I should of drive a hgv on a 1200 mile round trip to collect my e30 bmw yesterday. My Range Rover flipped 22 times and I died 15 times while blinding and running people off the road in my menance to society!! Oh and its terrible on fuel getting 28mpg avg towing a trailer + car.
Make me laugh. Buy a fIf you dont know why people keep saying this about him, read this
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
He is deluded and of course I should of drive a hgv on a 1200 mile round trip to collect my e30 bmw yesterday. My Range Rover flipped 22 times and I died 15 times while blinding and running people off the road in my menance to society!! Oh and its terrible on fuel getting 28mpg avg towing a trailer + car.
king, eyewateringly expensive off roader (that's hundreds of hp and can tow bugger all) and use it off road and it breaks. A lot. Buy a 15 grand sports bike and it is capable of competing at the TT out of the show room, or commuting to work, or touring Europe (if not in a great deal of comfort). Also what does a sports bike have to do with anything?
red_slr said:
Excellent, excellent cars. When they work. Which is not often.
We had one for 2 years and it cost c.£6k in repairs over that time, and the previous owner has spent similar over a similar time.
The same story with my brother. We joke that it makes my TVR look reliable. It's currently at LR with warranty issues and has been for over 2 weeks.....but he's hoping to have it back on Friday. We're not hopefulWe had one for 2 years and it cost c.£6k in repairs over that time, and the previous owner has spent similar over a similar time.
I think this thread sums up the fact they are enthusiast cars. You'd have to be an enthusiast to put up with all the hassle and expense. Even when some have been stranded and had their wallets cleaned out they still go back for more.
Whilst that is the case RR would be mad to attempt to make them completely bullet proof. Selling all those replacement parts must be an extremely lucrative side to their business.
Whilst that is the case RR would be mad to attempt to make them completely bullet proof. Selling all those replacement parts must be an extremely lucrative side to their business.
k-ink said:
I think this thread sums up the fact they are enthusiast cars. You'd have to be an enthusiast to put up with all the hassle and expense. Even when some have been stranded and had their wallets cleaned out they still go back for more.
Whilst that is the case RR would be mad to attempt to make them completely bullet proof. Selling all those replacement parts must be an extremely lucrative side to their business.
Hey, it's not called the top off-roader for nothing Whilst that is the case RR would be mad to attempt to make them completely bullet proof. Selling all those replacement parts must be an extremely lucrative side to their business.
k-ink said:
I think this thread sums up the fact they are enthusiast cars. You'd have to be an enthusiast to put up with all the hassle and expense. Even when some have been stranded and had their wallets cleaned out they still go back for more.
Whilst that is the case RR would be mad to attempt to make them completely bullet proof. Selling all those replacement parts must be an extremely lucrative side to their business.
What hassle?Whilst that is the case RR would be mad to attempt to make them completely bullet proof. Selling all those replacement parts must be an extremely lucrative side to their business.
I went to the launch of the new Range Rover at Grimsthorpe Castle. It was a superb day and the best marketing event I've been to ever.
We arrived on a misty day to see dozens of shiny new Range Rovers lined up either side of the drive. We were taken in and given breakfast, before a marketing chat. Then we were handed the keys to a car, whose sat nav was programmed to take us to Rockingham off-road centre.
Once at Rockingham we were decanted into other new Range Rovers and taken on an off-road course. When that was finished, we were given keys to a third Range Rover to drive back to the Castle. Once there, we were fed a really top-notch three-course hot lunch.
Impressive. Really impressive.
What was less impressive, though, was that by lunchtime between a third and a half of the cars were faulty. The main topic at lunch was, "what warning lights did you have"?
Two of the three cars we drove had faults. In the first my wife opened the centre console, which opened smoothly and automatically to the top of it's travel. Then the lid flew off like some sort of ant-personnel mine. The last of the three cars had a transmission warning light showing.
And the funniest thing? No one around the dinner table admitted to ever having had a moment's trouble with their own Range Rovers.
The first rule of Range Rover Club is: You don't talk about Range Rover Club.
We arrived on a misty day to see dozens of shiny new Range Rovers lined up either side of the drive. We were taken in and given breakfast, before a marketing chat. Then we were handed the keys to a car, whose sat nav was programmed to take us to Rockingham off-road centre.
Once at Rockingham we were decanted into other new Range Rovers and taken on an off-road course. When that was finished, we were given keys to a third Range Rover to drive back to the Castle. Once there, we were fed a really top-notch three-course hot lunch.
Impressive. Really impressive.
What was less impressive, though, was that by lunchtime between a third and a half of the cars were faulty. The main topic at lunch was, "what warning lights did you have"?
Two of the three cars we drove had faults. In the first my wife opened the centre console, which opened smoothly and automatically to the top of it's travel. Then the lid flew off like some sort of ant-personnel mine. The last of the three cars had a transmission warning light showing.
And the funniest thing? No one around the dinner table admitted to ever having had a moment's trouble with their own Range Rovers.
The first rule of Range Rover Club is: You don't talk about Range Rover Club.
Having run several Disco3s and an L322, I can safely say that I love the product. My only real problem is that they seem to require quite a lot of fettling, and that things wear out rather faster than with other similar cars. Sure, an alternator's not that pricey and they are, eventually, a consumable, but all my LRs have needed one. They've all needed wheel bearings, air bags, compressor pumps, things like that. Items that other manufacturers seem to make last rather longer.
I get that they're complicated, and that they're lovely to drive. But if I'm totally honest I prefer my GL420, which has needed nothing more than a parking sensor and normal servicing in the last 70k miles. I've not missed all those additional trips to the (very good) local specialist, boring as that may be.
I get that they're complicated, and that they're lovely to drive. But if I'm totally honest I prefer my GL420, which has needed nothing more than a parking sensor and normal servicing in the last 70k miles. I've not missed all those additional trips to the (very good) local specialist, boring as that may be.
I know a few people who have been running Land Rovers & Range Rovers for over 30 years, usually buying them at 2-3 years old, selling them at 5 years old, and repeating that cycle. One currently has one of the very first of the new L405 gen, and the other is just about to trade in his last of line L322.
None have ever had multiple serious issues, though I do know the GM gearbox on one of the Td6 cars let go when towing a cattle trailer. Thankfully all was sorted quickly and efficiently, and between them they've racked up hundreds of thousands of miles, usually in environments tougher than most ever endure.
The Range Rover Classic was the car that got me into off-roading (you could say into Land Rovers full stop), and the places I've seen them go, and the battering I've seen them take is remarkable. I completely trust them.
FWIW, I've had 5 Land Rovers now (1 Range Rover which is currently being restored), and only 1 has been problematic. I'd be prepared to bet that those odds would be little different if I purchased from another manufacturer.
None have ever had multiple serious issues, though I do know the GM gearbox on one of the Td6 cars let go when towing a cattle trailer. Thankfully all was sorted quickly and efficiently, and between them they've racked up hundreds of thousands of miles, usually in environments tougher than most ever endure.
The Range Rover Classic was the car that got me into off-roading (you could say into Land Rovers full stop), and the places I've seen them go, and the battering I've seen them take is remarkable. I completely trust them.
FWIW, I've had 5 Land Rovers now (1 Range Rover which is currently being restored), and only 1 has been problematic. I'd be prepared to bet that those odds would be little different if I purchased from another manufacturer.
13m said:
I went to the launch of the new Range Rover at Grimsthorpe Castle. It was a superb day and the best marketing event I've been to ever.
We arrived on a misty day to see dozens of shiny new Range Rovers lined up either side of the drive. We were taken in and given breakfast, before a marketing chat. Then we were handed the keys to a car, whose sat nav was programmed to take us to Rockingham off-road centre.
Once at Rockingham we were decanted into other new Range Rovers and taken on an off-road course. When that was finished, we were given keys to a third Range Rover to drive back to the Castle. Once there, we were fed a really top-notch three-course hot lunch.
Impressive. Really impressive.
What was less impressive, though, was that by lunchtime between a third and a half of the cars were faulty. The main topic at lunch was, "what warning lights did you have"?
Two of the three cars we drove had faults. In the first my wife opened the centre console, which opened smoothly and automatically to the top of it's travel. Then the lid flew off like some sort of ant-personnel mine. The last of the three cars had a transmission warning light showing.
And the funniest thing? No one around the dinner table admitted to ever having had a moment's trouble with their own Range Rovers.
The first rule of Range Rover Club is: You don't talk about Range Rover Club.
If this is the shocking reliability you get with the finest factory prepared brand new examples, just wow. Good luck with used ones!!We arrived on a misty day to see dozens of shiny new Range Rovers lined up either side of the drive. We were taken in and given breakfast, before a marketing chat. Then we were handed the keys to a car, whose sat nav was programmed to take us to Rockingham off-road centre.
Once at Rockingham we were decanted into other new Range Rovers and taken on an off-road course. When that was finished, we were given keys to a third Range Rover to drive back to the Castle. Once there, we were fed a really top-notch three-course hot lunch.
Impressive. Really impressive.
What was less impressive, though, was that by lunchtime between a third and a half of the cars were faulty. The main topic at lunch was, "what warning lights did you have"?
Two of the three cars we drove had faults. In the first my wife opened the centre console, which opened smoothly and automatically to the top of it's travel. Then the lid flew off like some sort of ant-personnel mine. The last of the three cars had a transmission warning light showing.
And the funniest thing? No one around the dinner table admitted to ever having had a moment's trouble with their own Range Rovers.
The first rule of Range Rover Club is: You don't talk about Range Rover Club.
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