RE: Range Rover Sport SVR: PH Fleet
Discussion
Vee12V said:
PhantomPH said:
I'd take the V6 hybrid RRS any day of the week. Golf GTI performance and 40+mpg. That'll do for me in a family bus like that. Love it.
Friend of mine bought a RRS hybrid (solely for tax purpose reasons), no way you're getting anything close to 40 mpg.
kambites said:
You've got the wonder how long manufacturers will continue to sell conventional estate cars in the UK, though.
This. I don't want a car on stilts, but I do want a good load compartment and I've always had estates. However well it goes, it would go better if it was lower and therefore lighter. I drive a Jag XF sportbrake and want to keep buying "British" but I can see myself running out of options. Edited by kambites on Tuesday 24th November 20:42
Debaser said:
rtz62 said:
Yet the elephant in the room for any vehicle like this is that most will be registered as dealer demonstrators and/or company cars for M.Ds, and then at 3-4 years old will fall I to the hands of more, well, 'normal' people, albeit well-heeled ones.
But it won't be long after that until we start seeing them become what we used to euphemistically call 'council estate cars' (and no offence meant to readers who do live there). By that we meant appearing on housing estates where the owners are able to afford the car but not the maintenance
Does anyone really care about all that?But it won't be long after that until we start seeing them become what we used to euphemistically call 'council estate cars' (and no offence meant to readers who do live there). By that we meant appearing on housing estates where the owners are able to afford the car but not the maintenance
Appropriate user name if it's a criticism of my viewpoint...
I Just love it when all some people can do is slate a persons point of view.
No, the initial purchasers won't care, as the vehicle will in all likelyhood be a company perk, and the second owner will see the big saving they have made over new.
I am one that fully appreciated how amazing this car is, and would prefer one over any of its competitions, bar none, but I was just throwing some thoughts out there into the ether.
With regards to the 'it's trading at a premium', well that's fine in the very short term for the 'speculators' but surely the corollary is that it will fall quicker after that initial burst?
I think my comment about the car still having the maintenance costs of a £90k+ car are valid, although tempered by the knowledge that many will subsequently take cars like these to specialists, which will reduce costs.
Looking at some PH ads, it's amazing how little, relatively, a Posche Cayenne Turbo can be had for, and the same goes for a Range Rover Supercharged.
As I said previously, a lottery win would see one of these on my drive, no question, although SWMBO prefers the Cayenne. Strange woman....
I have always thought the sport to be a bit of a halfway house to the full spec RR but I can see the apeal and it does look good. But the fact remains a petrol 4x4 in the UK will suffer depreciation like no other and once out of warrenty will fall into a price bracket where owners might be able to afford say a 30k car but not 100k car running costs and as such these will end up on after market wheels with vinyle wraps and tinted windows in no time.
Which is all fine really if that's your thing I would rather the Derv RR in a subtle color and enjoy the wafting about. Oh an if I wanted a super fast 4x4 the Jeeo SRT ticks those box's but its no RR of course.
Which is all fine really if that's your thing I would rather the Derv RR in a subtle color and enjoy the wafting about. Oh an if I wanted a super fast 4x4 the Jeeo SRT ticks those box's but its no RR of course.
The Article said:
Those DRLs burning into my back bumper that'd usually have me getting all Stressed Eric? Fill your boots mate, all you're getting is a nice view up the slash cut exhausts.
This is the biggest benefit that I have come to enjoy, and become comfortable with, after converting to an SUV for my main daily family transport.Whether it be the ugly LED "dazzler" DRLs, or the misuse of front Fog Lights, or even those that sit at traffic lights with their foot on their brake, I no longer suffer from the fatigue, eye strain, and head aches that I used to when my daily driver was my previous M3.
My car is a diesel car which will never offer the performance of this Land Rover in this article, and therein lies my reservation / scepticism.
I'm sure that having warp capability in something that nice is a novelty, however I don't really get it. I don't understand the use that someone would have for that level of performance in a large cruiser.
mat205125 said:
This is the biggest benefit that I have come to enjoy, and become comfortable with, after converting to an SUV for my main daily family transport.
Whether it be the ugly LED "dazzler" DRLs, or the misuse of front Fog Lights, or even those that sit at traffic lights with their foot on their brake, I no longer suffer from the fatigue, eye strain, and head aches that I used to when my daily driver was my previous M3.
I agree . . . to a point. Still got all that when I sat behind an X5 last night though!Whether it be the ugly LED "dazzler" DRLs, or the misuse of front Fog Lights, or even those that sit at traffic lights with their foot on their brake, I no longer suffer from the fatigue, eye strain, and head aches that I used to when my daily driver was my previous M3.
In fact, I was surprised that I was sat in a VW with an electronic parking brake and yet the year-old BMW in front clearly didn't have that. I think I'd be disappointed!
I love this SVR, but I'm sad to say the diesel would do everything I needed. And more probably.
rtz62 said:
Debaser said:
rtz62 said:
Yet the elephant in the room for any vehicle like this is that most will be registered as dealer demonstrators and/or company cars for M.Ds, and then at 3-4 years old will fall I to the hands of more, well, 'normal' people, albeit well-heeled ones.
But it won't be long after that until we start seeing them become what we used to euphemistically call 'council estate cars' (and no offence meant to readers who do live there). By that we meant appearing on housing estates where the owners are able to afford the car but not the maintenance
Does anyone really care about all that?But it won't be long after that until we start seeing them become what we used to euphemistically call 'council estate cars' (and no offence meant to readers who do live there). By that we meant appearing on housing estates where the owners are able to afford the car but not the maintenance
Appropriate user name if it's a criticism of my viewpoint...
I Just love it when all some people can do is slate a persons point of view.
No, the initial purchasers won't care, as the vehicle will in all likelyhood be a company perk, and the second owner will see the big saving they have made over new.
I am one that fully appreciated how amazing this car is, and would prefer one over any of its competitions, bar none, but I was just throwing some thoughts out there into the ether.
With regards to the 'it's trading at a premium', well that's fine in the very short term for the 'speculators' but surely the corollary is that it will fall quicker after that initial burst?
I think my comment about the car still having the maintenance costs of a £90k+ car are valid, although tempered by the knowledge that many will subsequently take cars like these to specialists, which will reduce costs.
Looking at some PH ads, it's amazing how little, relatively, a Posche Cayenne Turbo can be had for, and the same goes for a Range Rover Supercharged.
As I said previously, a lottery win would see one of these on my drive, no question, although SWMBO prefers the Cayenne. Strange woman....
ker. Oh and trust me this car is an absolute rocket ship. Words cant do it justice and then there is the sound.
Konrod said:
kambites said:
You've got the wonder how long manufacturers will continue to sell conventional estate cars in the UK, though.
This. I don't want a car on stilts, but I do want a good load compartment and I've always had estates. However well it goes, it would go better if it was lower and therefore lighter. I drive a Jag XF sportbrake and want to keep buying "British" but I can see myself running out of options. Edited by kambites on Tuesday 24th November 20:42
jhonn said:
I'm really struggling with the current range of Range Rover vehicles; for me, previous generations were relatively discrete - this just shouts 'Look at me!', like the kid in the room with chronic ADHD.
Good taste and class 'whispers' - this just doesn't.
No it doesn't quite whisper it, but compared to the tasteless abominations from Startech and their ilk, it's relatively restrained, especially in a less stand-out colour. If you want more restraint, you can get the V8 petrol in the full-fat Range Rover with 500bhp, that should be plenty.Good taste and class 'whispers' - this just doesn't.
mat205125 said:
I don't understand the use that someone would have for that level of performance in a large cruiser.
Where you draw the line on what performance is necessary vs indulgent would make an entire thread. There can never be a rational explanation for that level of performance in any car. There's little rational explanation for the car at all - it's not a rational purchase. It's one for your heart. Having spent some time in one of these RR Sport SVRs, I can say confidently two things: firstly, the performance (and subsequent noise) is hilarious; laugh-out-loud amusing, and gives the car huge character. You really don't need it, but it wouldn't be half the car without it. Secondly, the novelty takes a long time to fade. Go without for a week and you'll be grinning like an idiot again when you get back in and the exhaust starts crackling away.RenesisEvo said:
If you want more restraint, you can get the V8 petrol in the full-fat Range Rover with 500bhp, that should be plenty.
I like the loud factor of the Sport but I can't help but think that most with over 100k to spend on a Range Rover will forgo the extra 50bhp and just go for the full-fat supercharged. I'd find it difficult to do otherwise if I were in the market for oneSlow said:
Does anyone else see the Range Rover sports as "small". Clearly they are huge compared to cars but when I compare it to my FFRR when driving past or even a Toyota surf it doesn't seem that big.
Well in the UK I'm not sure that's necessarily such a bad thing - I drive an L405 and often when driving on smaller roads at night I wouldn't mind it being a little smaller! Does mean the Sport doesn't feel quite as grand or as luxury inside though, but that's the trade off.Funny thing is whenever I'm out in the US and I see Range Rovers - as in full size ones - driving around, they look like mid-size cars in comparison to the trucks out there!!
Had my RRS 5.0 (non-SVR) for about a month now and looked at the SVR but:
1. It's too expensive. I wasn't in the new market and second hand ones are still above list
2. I actually wanted to be able to sit someone between the 2 child seats in the back!
As to the why have a 500hp V8 question? - why not?!, it exists, and if I had got any other engine I would have lived in a constant state of disappointment at wondering what could have been... If I have to listen to another car dealer tell me how good the diesel is or how much torque it has (or more likely how many of them they have on the forecourt to shift!)I'll scream. The diesel is obviously worse as:
a. It's a diesel
b. It doesn't propel the car forward as fast as the petrol engine
c. It's a diesel
1. It's too expensive. I wasn't in the new market and second hand ones are still above list
2. I actually wanted to be able to sit someone between the 2 child seats in the back!
As to the why have a 500hp V8 question? - why not?!, it exists, and if I had got any other engine I would have lived in a constant state of disappointment at wondering what could have been... If I have to listen to another car dealer tell me how good the diesel is or how much torque it has (or more likely how many of them they have on the forecourt to shift!)I'll scream. The diesel is obviously worse as:
a. It's a diesel
b. It doesn't propel the car forward as fast as the petrol engine
c. It's a diesel
RenesisEvo said:
mat205125 said:
I don't understand the use that someone would have for that level of performance in a large cruiser.
Where you draw the line on what performance is necessary vs indulgent would make an entire thread. There can never be a rational explanation for that level of performance in any car. There's little rational explanation for the car at all - it's not a rational purchase. It's one for your heart. Having spent some time in one of these RR Sport SVRs, I can say confidently two things: firstly, the performance (and subsequent noise) is hilarious; laugh-out-loud amusing, and gives the car huge character. You really don't need it, but it wouldn't be half the car without it. Secondly, the novelty takes a long time to fade. Go without for a week and you'll be grinning like an idiot again when you get back in and the exhaust starts crackling away.My line will be drawn much more modestly than someone that has the means to consider one of these petrol fuelled beasts as a brand new purchase. The associated shudders that I get from the economics of feeding the beast and maintaining it may be little more than a consideration of the inconvenience of the frequency of fill ups to someone else.
By that measure, all of the positive hilarious grin benefits are worth the investment, and that novelty will linger.
For most, the savage expense to run the machine would out way those positives ............ just as well that JLR won't be looking to sell these to huge volumes of punters who don't have the means.
rtz62 said:
Debaser said:
rtz62 said:
Yet the elephant in the room for any vehicle like this is that most will be registered as dealer demonstrators and/or company cars for M.Ds, and then at 3-4 years old will fall I to the hands of more, well, 'normal' people, albeit well-heeled ones.
But it won't be long after that until we start seeing them become what we used to euphemistically call 'council estate cars' (and no offence meant to readers who do live there). By that we meant appearing on housing estates where the owners are able to afford the car but not the maintenance
Does anyone really care about all that?But it won't be long after that until we start seeing them become what we used to euphemistically call 'council estate cars' (and no offence meant to readers who do live there). By that we meant appearing on housing estates where the owners are able to afford the car but not the maintenance
Appropriate user name if it's a criticism of my viewpoint...
I Just love it when all some people can do is slate a persons point of view.
No, the initial purchasers won't care, as the vehicle will in all likelyhood be a company perk, and the second owner will see the big saving they have made over new.
I am one that fully appreciated how amazing this car is, and would prefer one over any of its competitions, bar none, but I was just throwing some thoughts out there into the ether.
With regards to the 'it's trading at a premium', well that's fine in the very short term for the 'speculators' but surely the corollary is that it will fall quicker after that initial burst?
I think my comment about the car still having the maintenance costs of a £90k+ car are valid, although tempered by the knowledge that many will subsequently take cars like these to specialists, which will reduce costs.
Looking at some PH ads, it's amazing how little, relatively, a Posche Cayenne Turbo can be had for, and the same goes for a Range Rover Supercharged.
As I said previously, a lottery win would see one of these on my drive, no question, although SWMBO prefers the Cayenne. Strange woman....
I was merely wondering how many people worry about it ending up in the hands of people who might not be able to afford to maintain it.
Anyway, I was at Goodwood this year, it sounded great going up the hill.
Such is the thrust or these I think you'd be able to perform the £20 note on the dash trick! The noise, especially on over run makes me giggle like a girl!! An amazingly capable vehicle and one that's beyond my means but I'm glad my brother-in law has one!and I get to sample its delights without the financial pain! Compared to the previous 500bhp RRS that they had, this is in a different league!
Boulders said:
Such is the thrust or these I think you'd be able to perform the £20 note on the dash trick
Massive diversion off topic, but that old story is complete bs, and always makes me laugh. Considering we're only talking about 1.5G even in a Bugatti Veyron, if you're unable to pull a £20 note off the dashboard, then general day to day tasks like picking things up and getting out of bed must be impossible for you! I suspect the truth of the old Shelby story was that the uninitiated were so shocked by the acceleration they forgot about the bill. Stick anyone who was used to it in their and I suspect they'd do it no problem!sealtt said:
Slow said:
Does anyone else see the Range Rover sports as "small". Clearly they are huge compared to cars but when I compare it to my FFRR when driving past or even a Toyota surf it doesn't seem that big.
Well in the UK I'm not sure that's necessarily such a bad thing - I drive an L405 and often when driving on smaller roads at night I wouldn't mind it being a little smaller! Does mean the Sport doesn't feel quite as grand or as luxury inside though, but that's the trade off.Funny thing is whenever I'm out in the US and I see Range Rovers - as in full size ones - driving around, they look like mid-size cars in comparison to the trucks out there!!
RacerMike said:
Boulders said:
Such is the thrust or these I think you'd be able to perform the £20 note on the dash trick
Massive diversion off topic, but that old story is complete bs, and always makes me laugh. Considering we're only talking about 1.5G even in a Bugatti Veyron, if you're unable to pull a £20 note off the dashboard, then general day to day tasks like picking things up and getting out of bed must be impossible for you! I suspect the truth of the old Shelby story was that the uninitiated were so shocked by the acceleration they forgot about the bill. Stick anyone who was used to it in their and I suspect they'd do it no problem!Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff