RE: Shed Of The Week: Jaguar S-Type 4.2

RE: Shed Of The Week: Jaguar S-Type 4.2

Saturday 28th November 2015

Shed Of The Week: Jaguar S-Type 4.2

It's a good job a picture is worth a thousand words because the ad isn't telling us much!



400 or so years ago, a bloke from the Midlands said that brevity was the soul of wit. That being the case, he would have found the eight-word ad for this week's SOTW a bit of a rib-tickler. Sometimes, though, as someone should perhaps tell Katie Hopkins, you don't need words. You can guess a lot about a car from the pictures, which, this week, are of a Jaguar S-Type V8.

The old man's old man's Jag!
The old man's old man's Jag!
The word 'Marmite' is often used to describe cars that divide opinion. In the case of the S-Type, 'mealworm' might be a better choice. Outside the Jaguar Enthusiasts' Club it isn't easy to find a diehard S-Type fan.

If that perception is based on looks, you can sort of understand the reticence. Geoff Lawson's bodywork was meant to evoke the classic Jaguar look of the old Mk2s. Marrying a 1950s design to late-1990s mechanicals was always going to be a challenge, and the car was not rapturously received on its 1999 release. The cabin was tight, not so much in build quality as passenger space. The rear seats folded, but that was pretty much essential as the boot was shallow and poorly shaped.

Out in the field, early S-Types didn't pile extra glory onto the Jaguar legend. Trim rattled, suspension wore out and the electrics didn't elect, with various doorlock, window and other motor-activated functions going on Brummie strike. The bootlid failed in its primary duty of not letting the water in, which wasn't good for the boot-mounted battery. The 3.0-litre sixes quickly became known for bottom-end bother.

Cream leather? Check. Wood? Check.
Cream leather? Check. Wood? Check.
But the good thing about most cars - and Jaguars are no exception - is that they tend to improve with each new iteration. This car is a second-gen X202. You can tell that from the Jaguar bonnet logo: on X202s it forms part of the grille trim, rather than sitting lamely on the bonnet like a lonely button.

Under that bonnet, the creamy 4.0-litre AJ-V8 launch engine was increased in capacity to 4.2 litres for the X202. Our 2003 Shed will also have the six-speed ZF auto box that came along in that year. Those ZF transmissions weren't trouble-free: they gained a reputation for lurching, a quirk that can sometimes be cured by a cocktail of a different AT fluid plus a special additive.

What the six-speeders did give the 4.2 though was effortless cruising. 70mph comes up at a whisper-quiet 2,000rpm in top. The 0-60 came up in six and a smidge seconds, with a governed 155mph top whack.

And a purring V8 under the bonnet - result!
And a purring V8 under the bonnet - result!
The aforementioned bonnet seems to be missing a chunk of paint, but somehow that adds to the appeal. This is a 170,000 mile car, after all. More importantly, it's a one-owner 170,000-mile Jaguar. Anyone who keeps a car for that long is either strapped for cash or in love. Look at the backdrop to the pics and make your own judgement on that.

Shed is betting that the owner loved his Jag and preferred to leave that bonnet bleb rather than risking a dodgy repair that might spoil its character. Well, either that or he was too mean to mend it. Again, Shed is opting for the charitable view based on that other badge, that posh-looking one on the grille. He can't make out what it is exactly but would lay money on it being either military or Masonic. Either way, it speaks of an owner who would most likely be fastidious in all things, up to and including car stewardship.

Of course, the badge might be commemorating a famous win in the All-Ireland bare-knuckle boxing championships, or chairmanship of the Worshipful Company Of Motor Vendors, in which case all bets are off.

Shed rather likes the S-Type's aardvarkish lines and cocoonish interior and fondly remembers a brief dalliance with a twin-turbo 2.7 diesel. He thinks a call to the owner would in the worst case result in an interesting conversation, and in the best case lead to a new name going onto the V5. There are very few unsupercharged S-Type 4.2s still gliding around the place, and they are very underrated. £38,500 new, these were.

Careful with that back end though. 300hp going through the rear wheels of an 1,800kg barge could be a dream or a nightmare, depending on the weather and/or your wheelmanship skills.

Here's the ad. It won't take long to read.

Great car please contact me for further details.


 

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marshall100

Original Poster:

1,124 posts

201 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Blimey, that's the shortest car ad I've seen in a while....

over_the_hill

3,187 posts

246 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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More of a Conservatory or the Week than a Shed

J4CKO

41,499 posts

200 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Pity it isnt a light metallic blue, there would be a case of ratting it a bit more (the bonnet being a good start) into a moder(ish) Withnail recreation, twenty or so blue rattlecans would do it

I would love to know its story, its gold, it cost over 38 grand plus 12 or so years ago, who went into a showroom and said "I will have that, in gold with a V8" and handed all those readies over, it has private purchase written all over it, especially with the Leaper stuck on the bonnet, I suspect the original owner is now either no longer with us or has hung up his keys. Saying that, a lady I know had one from new and she was a very posh, old school Gin fanatic, exactly how you would expect.

Now, I suppose it would make a decent smoker for a bit, the colour spoils it a bit, as does it being an S type but its a V8 Jag for not much money.


williamp

19,248 posts

273 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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As driven by F1 drivers..

https://youtu.be/tHFkd8fgBFQ

But its still got a great V8 engine. For 1k. And no menton of black sodding friday. What more do you want??

BFleming

3,597 posts

143 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Did all S-Types suffer from dodgy air-con reliability? Not sure it's a great winter hack with that many horses through the back wheels, and not a great summer one either with no aircon (or the risk that if it works now, it won't do in 6 months). So great Spring/Autumn car then!

BrabusMog

20,142 posts

186 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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I remember going on a test drive with my dad when they first came out and the only thing we liked about the car was that there was a hook to hang a takeaway bag from by the glove box.

plasticpig

12,932 posts

225 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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I am always wary of people who put leapers on modern Jags.

Lazadude

1,732 posts

161 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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MOT history doesn't look that bad, Tyres and brakes.

Although wherever it was tested, spelling is consistently not a strong point.

ETA: Also no reason for why it failed on the 23rd of June this year? Would have thought that would be mandatory?



Edited by Lazadude on Friday 27th November 10:45

IanCress

4,409 posts

166 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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MOT history site shows the mileage was 185k in July. Probably getting towards 190k now.

Good news is that it hasn't had any major issues on the MOT. Mainly bald tyres and corroded brake pipes.

jamieduff1981

8,024 posts

140 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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BrabusMog said:
I remember going on a test drive with my dad when they first came out and the only thing we liked about the car was that there was a hook to hang a takeaway bag from by the glove box.
Post 2002s feel and drive absolutely nothing like 1999s-2001.5.

P-Jay

10,563 posts

191 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Nope not for me.

I hated them when they were new, they looked revolting (to my eyes) when they were new and have aged badly.

I'm not really into the retro thing, Fiat 500s and Minis etc, but this is worse, it's nostalgic to a time that only existed in people minds. The new Jag are so much better looking, they say "we're a modern car maker, with modern cars" these say "we were great once" like any old man at a rock concert telling anyone who dares go near him how he was at Glasto in 78 and saw Pink Floyd once "wild times.....man".

J4CKO

41,499 posts

200 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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BFleming said:
Did all S-Types suffer from dodgy air-con reliability? Not sure it's a great winter hack with that many horses through the back wheels, and not a great summer one either with no aircon (or the risk that if it works now, it won't do in 6 months). So great Spring/Autumn car then!
300 bhp through the back wheels makes it unsuitable for winter, am sure a combination of the correct/decent tyres, standard ESP and TCS and a gentle right foot, i.e. the car being driven to the conditions would get you through, I have managed the last two winters with 300 bhp and get almost another 100 tomorrow, all through the winter and the former was on crappy tyres, its only 300 bhp when your foot is to the floor, it can be a 30 bhp car or anywhere inbetween.

EggsBenedict

1,770 posts

174 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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I just can't love that, no matter how much I like Jags.

Weren't these build on some Yank Ford underpinnings? Lincoln Town Car? Dunno.

Not really a nice shape, and a horrid colour. Someone got in trouble for calling it "Jewish Racing Gold" IIRC

varsas

4,007 posts

202 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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BFleming said:
Did all S-Types suffer from dodgy air-con reliability? Not sure it's a great winter hack with that many horses through the back wheels, and not a great summer one either with no aircon (or the risk that if it works now, it won't do in 6 months). So great Spring/Autumn car then!
My very neglected, 2000 model with 130k miles on it has ice cold air-con, to the point where the heater struggles to warm the car with it on.

I don't like S-types either, but I bought my 3litre V6 auto for £1,200 2 years ago, and have been looking at 4.2's like this one as my next shed. It's reliable, comfortable, cheap to run (petrol and brake pads are all it's cost me) and a whole load better than a Passat or Vectra or whatever rubbish I could have had instead for the same price, and half the price of an e39 5 series...which would have gone all rusty. It means I can run something more interesting for weekends or whatever and trust this to get me to work. For some bizzare reason girls like it too so, bonus.

SuperHangOn

3,486 posts

153 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Wow that really is ghastly.


kambites

67,552 posts

221 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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The colour certainly does it no favours but it's an awful lot of V8 waftiness for the money if it's any good.

Gandahar

9,600 posts

128 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Track day car. Throw away anything that can go wrong or cannot, like air con and seats, fit some track day rubber and have a lot of fun until it goes pop. Actually better brakes too.


JoeBolt

272 posts

162 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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"Anyone who keeps a car for that long is either strapped for cash or in love. Look at the backdrop to the pics and make your own judgement on that."

I don't think that looking at the photographic backdrop can tell you much about the owner. (Other than they know how to choose a nice location to take photos in).

KMB

254 posts

223 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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Is that grill badge not a vintage AA style badge? May be quite appropriate.


J4CKO

41,499 posts

200 months

Friday 27th November 2015
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JoeBolt said:
"Anyone who keeps a car for that long is either strapped for cash or in love. Look at the backdrop to the pics and make your own judgement on that."

I don't think that looking at the photographic backdrop can tell you much about the owner. (Other than they know how to choose a nice location to take photos in).
Yeah, I agree that the background in a car ad can be as important as the car itself but it doesn't mean if its in front of a stately home that the owner owns one, but still it is a valuable source of clues, our next door neighbour isn't into cars in the slightest, been here 18 years and they have had two Astras that they never really use, I hate getting them in any shot when I am selling as it makes it look scruffy, people round here don't generally run 15 year old bog spec Astras.