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Many are in favour of Brexit, many are against. I'm slightly in favour but could be persuaded one way or the other depending on the good and bad consequences of leaving.
How would you vote and what reasons do you have? I'm hoping to keep the emotive side out of it & stick to logical, financial reasons and the best interests of the UK as a whole.
How would you vote and what reasons do you have? I'm hoping to keep the emotive side out of it & stick to logical, financial reasons and the best interests of the UK as a whole.
It's a difficult one but I lean towards the staying in persuaion. There are various practical issues and we do need some reform for sure, but idealogically I see it as more "progressive" and liberal to have common laws/trade and soft borders with neighbouring countries. Most people who come here seem to work hard and contribute to the economy so I think we're better off in that regard, plus we're free to go elsewhere and do the same if we wish.
I would vote to stay in. I'm not overly bothered though, I can see the benefits of both sides. I would vote to stay in as I do a lot of business in Europe and speaking to people over there it would be preferable. I also like our employment laws, I wouldn't like to go down the American route where it would be easier to sack people and less holiday entitlement. That would be more easy to implement if we weren't in the EU.
People who want to exit the EU seem a lot more passionate and emotive about the issue than people who want to stay in my experience.
People who want to exit the EU seem a lot more passionate and emotive about the issue than people who want to stay in my experience.
Leave, just because we never got a vote to join and those in power are trying too hard for the 'remain in' vote by telling us how much better it will be when they get reforms.
What they actually mean is they will bluster, tell us it will change later, nothing will change. Then they will tell us we had a vote to leave but chose to stay (conveniently forgetting the empty promises).
What they actually mean is they will bluster, tell us it will change later, nothing will change. Then they will tell us we had a vote to leave but chose to stay (conveniently forgetting the empty promises).
Moominho said:
I wouldn't like to go down the American route where it would be easier to sack people and less holiday entitlement.
The alternative is the French system whereby it's almost impossible to get rid of someone, no matter how bad they are. Like you said, we can see both sides.Rovinghawk said:
The alternative is the French system whereby it's almost impossible to get rid of someone, no matter how bad they are. Like you said, we can see both sides.
Fair point. And it's telling that I'm now looking at it as an employee, rather than as a business owner, as I have been before. I do like the way our laws are at the moment though, the balance seems right to me. ClaphamGT3 said:
Remain in.
Quite apart from the economic logic for remaining part of the EU, an 'in' vote would pave the way to closer political union with the EU
Given, as just one example, the manner in which the EU has (mis)handled the Syrian refugee crisis - ungainly, un-coordinated, even adversarial at times - I'm intrigued to know why you think this is desirable?Quite apart from the economic logic for remaining part of the EU, an 'in' vote would pave the way to closer political union with the EU
The day we leave the EU we will be at least 8% better off.
This video from Professor Patrick Minford is a clear insight into the ignorance of the politicians even when presented with facts about leaving the EU, its a bit long but worth viewing:
https://youtu.be/leKEUT1TiLU
Unfortunately you wont see this guy on QT any time soon.
This video from Professor Patrick Minford is a clear insight into the ignorance of the politicians even when presented with facts about leaving the EU, its a bit long but worth viewing:
https://youtu.be/leKEUT1TiLU
Unfortunately you wont see this guy on QT any time soon.
Edited by KrissKross on Monday 30th November 13:06
steveT350C said:
Brexit.
All the people who told us it would be disastrous for Britain if we did not adopt the € are the same ones now saying it would be disastrous if Britain left the EU.
Not all I was very anti euro but my views on EU exit is that it depends on the option. In my view any thing except flexcit would be a) virtually impossible, b) a potential disaster.All the people who told us it would be disastrous for Britain if we did not adopt the € are the same ones now saying it would be disastrous if Britain left the EU.
http://www.eureferendum.com/documents/flexcit.pdf
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