Safeguarding - whats going on
Discussion
Apart from turning nouns into verbs
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yo...
beeb said:
school principal dismissed
Caroline Kingdon BBC Local Live Posted at 11:48
The principal of an academy in Swaffham has been dismissed following "serious breaches in applying safeguarding procedure".
Cheryl Hill's contract with The Nicholas Hamond Academy was terminated by the organisation which runs it - the Academy Transformation Trust (ATT) - on 5 October.
An announcement to staff and letter to parents sought to reassure the community that matters had been dealt with swiftly, however they are not saying what the serious breaches were.
ATT managing director Joyce Hodgetts says they've been working with the police "to ensure that matters have been dealt with appropriately... and has carried out a full safeguarding review in the academy since the matter came to light".
She added that there'd been many positive changes within the academy since Cheryl Hill's appointment, with improvement in exam results.
The safety, happiness and achievement of students remain our highest priority and we will continue to provide excellent opportunities for pupils.”
Joyce Hodgetts ATT managing director
and yesterday in YorkCaroline Kingdon BBC Local Live Posted at 11:48
The principal of an academy in Swaffham has been dismissed following "serious breaches in applying safeguarding procedure".
Cheryl Hill's contract with The Nicholas Hamond Academy was terminated by the organisation which runs it - the Academy Transformation Trust (ATT) - on 5 October.
An announcement to staff and letter to parents sought to reassure the community that matters had been dealt with swiftly, however they are not saying what the serious breaches were.
ATT managing director Joyce Hodgetts says they've been working with the police "to ensure that matters have been dealt with appropriately... and has carried out a full safeguarding review in the academy since the matter came to light".
She added that there'd been many positive changes within the academy since Cheryl Hill's appointment, with improvement in exam results.
The safety, happiness and achievement of students remain our highest priority and we will continue to provide excellent opportunities for pupils.”
Joyce Hodgetts ATT managing director
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yo...
beeb said:
The Archbishop of York has defended the decision to sack all 30 of York Minister's bell-ringers and said they showed "repeated disregard" for its safeguarding policies.
Dr John Sentamu said he had to take action regarding a bell-ringer "on safeguarding grounds" in the summer.
He said advice was taken to "minimise risk to children, young people and vulnerable adults".
The bells fell silent last Tuesday in order for a new team to be recruited.
Speaking at a news conference, Dr Sentamu backed the decision made by the Minster's governing body, the Chapter of York, in order to make the church "a safe place for everyone".
He said: "Earlier this summer, it was necessary for the Chapter to take action regarding a member of the bell-ringing community on safeguarding grounds.
"This came after complex multi-agency activity involving City of York Council, York Diocese Safeguarding Adviser and the Church of England's National Safeguarding Officer.
"The decision was taken in line with advice from safeguarding professionals, and with regard to national policies and guidance, including the Church of England's on minimising risk to children, young people and vulnerable adults."
What's happening?Dr John Sentamu said he had to take action regarding a bell-ringer "on safeguarding grounds" in the summer.
He said advice was taken to "minimise risk to children, young people and vulnerable adults".
The bells fell silent last Tuesday in order for a new team to be recruited.
Speaking at a news conference, Dr Sentamu backed the decision made by the Minster's governing body, the Chapter of York, in order to make the church "a safe place for everyone".
He said: "Earlier this summer, it was necessary for the Chapter to take action regarding a member of the bell-ringing community on safeguarding grounds.
"This came after complex multi-agency activity involving City of York Council, York Diocese Safeguarding Adviser and the Church of England's National Safeguarding Officer.
"The decision was taken in line with advice from safeguarding professionals, and with regard to national policies and guidance, including the Church of England's on minimising risk to children, young people and vulnerable adults."
I guess those concerned haven't been as careful as they should be in terms of welfare of the children
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/safegua...
https://www.gov.uk/topic/schools-colleges-children...
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/safegua...
https://www.gov.uk/topic/schools-colleges-children...
The bellringers probably allowed some kid to watch them ringing bells without everyone in the room having a CRB check.
Result - no one can be arsed to be a bellringer anymore.
My mother was asked to do some voluntary stuff in a hospital - sure she thought, I've got some time. So she poled up, expecting to be asked to push a trolley round or something, but instead was given a billion forms to fill out and told she could not push a trolley for at least 3 months until all the results came back. At which point she decided she had something better to do with her life.
Result - no one can be arsed to be a bellringer anymore.
My mother was asked to do some voluntary stuff in a hospital - sure she thought, I've got some time. So she poled up, expecting to be asked to push a trolley round or something, but instead was given a billion forms to fill out and told she could not push a trolley for at least 3 months until all the results came back. At which point she decided she had something better to do with her life.
rxe said:
The bellringers probably allowed some kid to watch them ringing bells without everyone in the room having a CRB check.
If those documents quoted above can be read correctly, it looks like there are exemptions to avoid having to make sure of that - otherwise you'd stop just about anything happening.Is safeguarding becoming a misused term like 'elf and safety once was.
cant do that because of safeguarding
or is there something in whats being reported?
rxe said:
My mother was asked to do some voluntary stuff in a hospital - sure she thought, I've got some time. So she poled up, expecting to be asked to push a trolley round or something, but instead was given a billion forms to fill out and told she could not push a trolley for at least 3 months until all the results came back. At which point she decided she had something better to do with her life.
A billion!?! Well I'm as community minded as the next Soham school caretaker but I certainly wouldn't be filing out a billion forms... What is this the USSR? I though we'd get red of this red tape after Brexit, it's an outrage, if only Jimmy Saville were still alive, I heard that Hospital in Leeds ran like a dream when he was around...
rxe said:
The bellringers probably allowed some kid to watch them ringing bells without everyone in the room having a CRB check.
Result - no one can be arsed to be a bellringer anymore.
My mother was asked to do some voluntary stuff in a hospital - sure she thought, I've got some time. So she poled up, expecting to be asked to push a trolley round or something, but instead was given a billion forms to fill out and told she could not push a trolley for at least 3 months until all the results came back. At which point she decided she had something better to do with her life.
Ok, if someone mentally unstable got such job and hurt one of your family memebers oresumably you would want blood yes ? Thats why Result - no one can be arsed to be a bellringer anymore.
My mother was asked to do some voluntary stuff in a hospital - sure she thought, I've got some time. So she poled up, expecting to be asked to push a trolley round or something, but instead was given a billion forms to fill out and told she could not push a trolley for at least 3 months until all the results came back. At which point she decided she had something better to do with her life.
saaby93 said:
rxe said:
The bellringers probably allowed some kid to watch them ringing bells without everyone in the room having a CRB check.
If those documents quoted above can be read correctly, it looks like there are exemptions to avoid having to make sure of that - otherwise you'd stop just about anything happening.Is safeguarding becoming a misused term like 'elf and safety once was.
cant do that because of safeguarding
or is there something in whats being reported?
http://www.yorkminsterbells.org.uk/?p=486
http://www.yorkminsterbells.org.uk/?p=479
What caused the Chapter to shut it down isn't clear, though it wouldn't surprise me (my Wife is involved in HR for the Catholic Church) that the Chapter, once it started poking around, was possibly concerned with wholesale adherence to Safeguarding principles. Given the issues that the RCC and CoE has seen over the last few years, one area they do not muck around on is Safeguarding.
All hypothetical of course: there's very sketchy info available.
EDIT - addendum:
it kind of fits with the further descriptions on the BBC: the volunteers (potentially not being covered by CRB) are being replaced by professionals who will almost certainly be subject to CRB
Edited by Ridgemont on Tuesday 18th October 13:56
FredClogs said:
Darn it, they got the "Dead Ringer" joke....I'm pretty sure bellringing isn't a solitary pastime.
Judging by the racket there must be loads of them up there at it.
Therefore, unless all the ringers are a happy band of musical mixed sex paedophiles at it like the clappers (!) I suspect the kids will be OK.
They'll probably need hearing protection though, and some work at height awareness training. And hand protection to stave off rope burns.
Judging by the racket there must be loads of them up there at it.
Therefore, unless all the ringers are a happy band of musical mixed sex paedophiles at it like the clappers (!) I suspect the kids will be OK.
They'll probably need hearing protection though, and some work at height awareness training. And hand protection to stave off rope burns.
saaby93 said:
Is it do with Soham?
Despite all the extra measures put in after Soham was it one of the police Chiefs said the rare thing that happened at Soham wouldnt be prevented.
It's the old saying about the law only applies to the law abiding
The enquiry after Soham did influence changes and showed the need for a national database system, because he'd moved around to avoid his record being discovered. The old CRB check operated fine, it did take a while though and the 2 yearly renewal was a pain in the arris, the new DBS system is also good but does transfer more responsibility to check for things onto the employer. The term safeguarding could cover a massive range of things though that need not be about checking last history or even anything criminal.Despite all the extra measures put in after Soham was it one of the police Chiefs said the rare thing that happened at Soham wouldnt be prevented.
It's the old saying about the law only applies to the law abiding
Personally I think the protection of vulnerable people should be first and foremost in the minds of most civil people.
FredClogs said:
saaby93 said:
Is it do with Soham?
Despite all the extra measures put in after Soham was it one of the police Chiefs said the rare thing that happened at Soham wouldnt be prevented.
It's the old saying about the law only applies to the law abiding
The enquiry after Soham did influence changes and showed the need for a national database system, because he'd moved around to avoid his record being discovered. The old CRB check operated fine, it did take a while though and the 2 yearly renewal was a pain in the arris, the new DBS system is also good but does transfer more responsibility to check for things onto the employer. The term safeguarding could cover a massive range of things though that need not be about checking last history or even anything criminal.Despite all the extra measures put in after Soham was it one of the police Chiefs said the rare thing that happened at Soham wouldnt be prevented.
It's the old saying about the law only applies to the law abiding
Personally I think the protection of vulnerable people should be first and foremost in the minds of most civil people.
FredClogs said:
rxe said:
My mother was asked to do some voluntary stuff in a hospital - sure she thought, I've got some time. So she poled up, expecting to be asked to push a trolley round or something, but instead was given a billion forms to fill out and told she could not push a trolley for at least 3 months until all the results came back. At which point she decided she had something better to do with her life.
A billion!?! Well I'm as community minded as the next Soham school caretaker but I certainly wouldn't be filing out a billion forms... What is this the USSR? I though we'd get red of this red tape after Brexit, it's an outrage, if only Jimmy Saville were still alive, I heard that Hospital in Leeds ran like a dream when he was around...
It takes about 10 minutes to complete a safeguarding form for a check, and this is with the clunky software my sport's governing body obliged me to use. It is no bother. In fact, it is a reassurance for the parents who drop their kids off for a couple of hours every Sunday.
The coaches have expressed no problem with the restrictions.
Ridgemont said:
saaby93 said:
rxe said:
The bellringers probably allowed some kid to watch them ringing bells without everyone in the room having a CRB check.
If those documents quoted above can be read correctly, it looks like there are exemptions to avoid having to make sure of that - otherwise you'd stop just about anything happening.Is safeguarding becoming a misused term like 'elf and safety once was.
cant do that because of safeguarding
or is there something in whats being reported?
http://www.yorkminsterbells.org.uk/?p=486
http://www.yorkminsterbells.org.uk/?p=479
What caused the Chapter to shut it down isn't clear, though it wouldn't surprise me (my Wife is involved in HR for the Catholic Church) that the Chapter, once it started poking around, was possibly concerned with wholesale adherence to Safeguarding principles. Given the issues that the RCC and CoE has seen over the last few years, one area they do not muck around on is Safeguarding.
All hypothetical of course: there's very sketchy info available.
EDIT - addendum:
it kind of fits with the further descriptions on the BBC: the volunteers (potentially not being covered by CRB) are being replaced by professionals who will almost certainly be subject to CRB
[footnote]Edited
by Ridgemont on Tuesday 18th October 13:56[/footnote]
From what I heard they wanted 'professionals' because the amateurs weren't good enough. Though the thought of a 'professional' bell ringer has me shaking my head. People pay to hear that?
So what is safeguarding again?
Dr John Sentamu, speaking yesterday at a press conference in the cathedral, said that in the summer, it had been necessary for the Chapter to take action regarding a 'member of the bellringing community' on alleged safeguarding grounds.
From York. Minster bells site.
Please note that, contrary to some reports, to our knowledge, there is no ongoing investigation into any member of YMSCR, past or present.
Wtf sack 30 people ? Anybody?
Dr John Sentamu, speaking yesterday at a press conference in the cathedral, said that in the summer, it had been necessary for the Chapter to take action regarding a 'member of the bellringing community' on alleged safeguarding grounds.
From York. Minster bells site.
Please note that, contrary to some reports, to our knowledge, there is no ongoing investigation into any member of YMSCR, past or present.
Wtf sack 30 people ? Anybody?
Edited by Pesty on Tuesday 18th October 17:50
rxe said:
The bellringers probably allowed some kid to watch them ringing bells without everyone in the room having a CRB check.
Result - no one can be arsed to be a bellringer anymore.
My mother was asked to do some voluntary stuff in a hospital - sure she thought, I've got some time. So she poled up, expecting to be asked to push a trolley round or something, but instead was given a billion forms to fill out and told she could not push a trolley for at least 3 months until all the results came back. At which point she decided she had something better to do with her life.
My partner has to go through this every 3 years, plus attend a safeguarding training course - she works part time at a riding stables. it's not exactly a difficult process - https://www.gov.uk/disclosure-barring-service-chec... . Result - no one can be arsed to be a bellringer anymore.
My mother was asked to do some voluntary stuff in a hospital - sure she thought, I've got some time. So she poled up, expecting to be asked to push a trolley round or something, but instead was given a billion forms to fill out and told she could not push a trolley for at least 3 months until all the results came back. At which point she decided she had something better to do with her life.
Would you prefer they just let anyone in to help in a hospital without checking their background?
Ridgemont said:
saaby93 said:
rxe said:
The bellringers probably allowed some kid to watch them ringing bells without everyone in the room having a CRB check.
If those documents quoted above can be read correctly, it looks like there are exemptions to avoid having to make sure of that - otherwise you'd stop just about anything happening.Is safeguarding becoming a misused term like 'elf and safety once was.
cant do that because of safeguarding
or is there something in whats being reported?
http://www.yorkminsterbells.org.uk/?p=486
http://www.yorkminsterbells.org.uk/?p=479
What caused the Chapter to shut it down isn't clear, though it wouldn't surprise me (my Wife is involved in HR for the Catholic Church) that the Chapter, once it started poking around, was possibly concerned with wholesale adherence to Safeguarding principles. Given the issues that the RCC and CoE has seen over the last few years, one area they do not muck around on is Safeguarding.
All hypothetical of course: there's very sketchy info available.
EDIT - addendum:
it kind of fits with the further descriptions on the BBC: the volunteers (potentially not being covered by CRB) are being replaced by professionals who will almost certainly be subject to CRB
Edited by Ridgemont on Tuesday 18th October 13:56
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