New winter tyres- Feels like floating.. Normal?

New winter tyres- Feels like floating.. Normal?

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bagusbagus

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451 posts

89 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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Recently swapped my tyres to 4x new Continental TS860 (supposedly the best of the best winter tyres there are from all the reviews...kinda have my doubts now..),
However the car now feels just damn weird to drive, feels like you are steering a boat,it has become less responsive, seems like there's now a small delay before you turn the steering wheel and the car doing something + taking turns with it feels just weird and a bit spongy..
The car before that (on some very old not so good summer tyres) drove perfectly fine, but now with these supposedely premium best of the best tyres it just feels like $hit.

Just wondering if this is normal with softer winter tyres or there's something wrong?
Certainly I haven't had this huuuge difference when swapping for winter tyres on other cars.
The tyres I bought were brand new and made before like 2weeks before they were delivered, kinda too fresh... biggrin
The car drives just fine in straight line, doesn't pulls to one side or other stuff you would expect from missaligned steering as well.



Timbuktu

1,953 posts

156 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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Yes, I found that too. All these people who say they drive just as well as summers are talking complete rubbish and must drive around at a snails pace not to notice the difference.

You only really need winters when there is snow or ice. The rest of the time I find my normal tyres (Michelin Pilot Super Sports) to be superior in every way. Including cold greasy roads.

Winters are a waste of time apart from the day or two of the year it actually snows or is actually icy in my opinion and yes I have tried various different sets on various different vehicles and come to the same conclusion!

jon-

16,511 posts

217 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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Welcome to 9mm of tread depth and sipes.

Even with all the block locking they use, you will feel block movement was more than a sparsely treaded summer tyre. Doubly so if you're coming from a UHP tyre like the Pilot Super Sport above.

Add a couple of extra PSI and they will bed in. For now, enjoy the extra comfort and safe in the knowledge in near-freezing wet conditions, you're safer.

Just be a little wary under dry braking.

bagusbagus

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451 posts

89 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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Alright well than I'm worrying for nothing, truth be told this if my first set of decent fresh winter tyres, in past I just got some part worn older stuff or some regular cheapo M+S which weren't so soft so probably these haven't worn down enough for them to feel just ''normal''

there's live ice almost all of the winter down where I live,specially the first few hundred meters where no salt-spreader comes so the only way to get out is to have a good tyres, when it's really bad 90% of my neighbourhood just doesn't drives anywhere as they simply can't get out so winter tyres are a must have for me...


Grayedout

411 posts

213 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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What pressures are you running at? I was told to run them about 5Psi higher than normal and it improved the feel.

djohnson

3,435 posts

224 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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My cars have always felt a little softer on winters. I wouldn't go as far as to say 'floating' but it's always noticeable.

benjijames28

1,702 posts

93 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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Increase the tire pressures.

My father in law, (sadly now passed away) used to be shocked that I say I can feel difference between cheap and quality summer tyres, never mind the difference I could feel with my winters.

He drove around a brand new 7 series, left his winter tyres on for a year, and he used to chuck that barge around b roads like it was a good cart.

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

199 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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Yep, normal due to the big fat tread blocks.
Just enjoy the trade off when you slice through loads of standing water without aquaplaning horribly.

grumpynuts

957 posts

161 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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Timbuktu said:
Yes, I found that too. All these people who say they drive just as well as summers are talking complete rubbish and must drive around at a snails pace not to notice the difference.

You only really need winters when there is snow or ice. The rest of the time I find my normal tyres (Michelin Pilot Super Sports) to be superior in every way. Including cold greasy roads.

Winters are a waste of time apart from the day or two of the year it actually snows or is actually icy in my opinion and yes I have tried various different sets on various different vehicles and come to the same conclusion!
Complete twaddle my friend. Your car WILL feel different, you have 8 to 9mm of tread, more movement in the tread blocks, totally different compounds etc. Once you get used to it, winter tyres feel completely normal. I'm calling b*llsh*t on your claim of having tried different sets, as everyone I know who runs winters, categorically state how massively superior they are to summer tyres on wet, creasy,cold winter roads, regardless of ice or snow. And of course on ice and snow they are simply amazing compared to summer tyres.
I run a 911, and it feels different on winters, a bit floaty and vague to start with, but once I "tune in" to them, I can drive plenty fast enough on any road on any condition without worrying about slipping off into the nearest ditch. Mine are going on this weekend.



Freds

947 posts

138 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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Good choice of tyre O.P, we currently have TS850P SUV Contis on our Subarus and they're a terrific winter tyre. Your new ones will take 500 miles or so to 'scrub in' and in the current mild weather expect the overall ride to feel somewhat softer. However, when the cooler weather, surface water, snow and ice come along you will praise them without doubt.

Captain Smerc

3,026 posts

117 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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They are well worth the investment . Vast improvement on the greasy cold damp roads at this time of year . Should be made mandatory every winter IMO . Would make the roads safer for everyone . Best invention since heated seats . yes

Riley Blue

20,986 posts

227 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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Don't they start to work below +7C? With the higher temperatures we've been having they're probably as squiggy as a very squiggy thing on St Squiggy's day.

rallycross

12,824 posts

238 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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As little as 2'psi change in your pressure on the front tyres can transform how your car feels - play around with the pressure (probably going up in this case) till you get the feel you are looking for - even on the most boring car you will notice a difference.

CO2000

3,177 posts

210 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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I was shocked how flimsy the side walls were on vredestein wintrac xtremes a few years ago, this could well be a factor too.

TwistingMyMelon

6,385 posts

206 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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Agree with the above, plus its been 10 d-14 degrees recently so quite warm


HustleRussell

24,733 posts

161 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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Riley Blue said:
Don't they start to work below +7C? With the higher temperatures we've been having they're probably as squiggy as a very squiggy thing on St Squiggy's day.
Once scrubbed in, these particular tyres are supposed to be usable all year round from what I've read.

funkyrobot

18,789 posts

229 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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I bought a full set of new winter tyres a couple of years ago (Nexen Winguard Sport - don't know how highly they are rated). After fitting them to my car, it did feel different. Felt a bit spongy to be honest.

However, after a couple of commutes, they felt absolutely fine. I don't know if the initial sponge feeling was because they were brand new and had to bed in, or if it was just me getting used to them. Soon forgot they were anything different though and they were indeed brilliant through the colder months.

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

135 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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Riley Blue said:
Don't they start to work below +7C? With the higher temperatures we've been having they're probably as squiggy as a very squiggy thing on St Squiggy's day.
Yes. I run 830ps on my Merc. Even with Bilstein B8s, the car feels somewhat inert and and soft. That changes a bit as temps drop, however.

No winter tire is going to feel like a summer performance tire.

Krikkit

26,547 posts

182 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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Riley Blue said:
Don't they start to work below +7C? With the higher temperatures we've been having they're probably as squiggy as a very squiggy thing on St Squiggy's day.
There is a transition between summer and winter compounds which means summer is less suited below 7°C, and winter above it, but it's not a sudden "cliff" of grip and ability. You'd be surprised how little extra wear you can have running them all-year round, because our average temps aren't that high.

Winters will always be softer thanks to the sipes, so unless you wanted to have the tread blocks cut down you've got to work around it!

TheRainMaker

6,349 posts

243 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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Mine really don't feel any different at all.

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