Speed Limit Signage
Discussion
Reading this in the local paper: http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/30mph_sign_near_...
"Mr Temperton said it was not a legal requirement to have the sign, as there was already one on the other side.."
I was under the impression that the start of a 30mph limit required two signs, one on either side of the road.
For reference, this is the change of limit on an unlit rural A road 50mph limit to an urban, street lit 30mph limit, and it's the sign on the left hand side that's missing.
https://goo.gl/maps/hKHmuxkwqzM2
"Mr Temperton said it was not a legal requirement to have the sign, as there was already one on the other side.."
I was under the impression that the start of a 30mph limit required two signs, one on either side of the road.
For reference, this is the change of limit on an unlit rural A road 50mph limit to an urban, street lit 30mph limit, and it's the sign on the left hand side that's missing.
https://goo.gl/maps/hKHmuxkwqzM2
Changed wef April 2016.
Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
"Removal of directions
One terminal sign or two
3.11 For regulatory signs indicating the beginning of a restriction, requirement,
prohibition or speed limit, direction 8(3) of TSRGD 2002 required the placing of
one terminal sign on each side of a single-carriageway road, and the placing of
one terminal sign on each side of the appropriate carriageway of a dualcarriageway
road (i.e. on the near side and on the central reservation).
3.12 In 2011 this requirement was set aside in England for signs other than speed
limits by way of an area-wide special direction issued to every English traffic
authority. This allowed the placing of only one terminal sign on either side of the
road as appropriate, thereby reducing their environmental impact.
3.13 This relaxation has now been included in TSRGD 2016 and extended to speed
limit signs. In deciding whether to reduce terminal signing provision, the following
factors could be taken into account:
• turning angles
• junction layouts
• one way traffic conditions
• sign mounting height"
and from the same item:
Changes in TSRGD 2016
"13.2 The requirements of TSRGD 2002 directions 8, 9 and 10 relating to the siting of
speed limit terminal signs at the beginning and end of the restriction have been
relaxed. A minimum of one terminal sign must still be placed as close as
practicable to the point where a limit begins and ends, but the onus is now on
traffic authorities to determine the appropriate level of signing provision on a
case by case basis. It is strongly recommended that the siting of speed limit
signs should be determined having regard to guidance in Chapter 3 of the Traffic
Signs Manual. Any decision to reduce the number of terminal signs should be
underpinned by robust risk analysis."
Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
"Removal of directions
One terminal sign or two
3.11 For regulatory signs indicating the beginning of a restriction, requirement,
prohibition or speed limit, direction 8(3) of TSRGD 2002 required the placing of
one terminal sign on each side of a single-carriageway road, and the placing of
one terminal sign on each side of the appropriate carriageway of a dualcarriageway
road (i.e. on the near side and on the central reservation).
3.12 In 2011 this requirement was set aside in England for signs other than speed
limits by way of an area-wide special direction issued to every English traffic
authority. This allowed the placing of only one terminal sign on either side of the
road as appropriate, thereby reducing their environmental impact.
3.13 This relaxation has now been included in TSRGD 2016 and extended to speed
limit signs. In deciding whether to reduce terminal signing provision, the following
factors could be taken into account:
• turning angles
• junction layouts
• one way traffic conditions
• sign mounting height"
and from the same item:
Changes in TSRGD 2016
"13.2 The requirements of TSRGD 2002 directions 8, 9 and 10 relating to the siting of
speed limit terminal signs at the beginning and end of the restriction have been
relaxed. A minimum of one terminal sign must still be placed as close as
practicable to the point where a limit begins and ends, but the onus is now on
traffic authorities to determine the appropriate level of signing provision on a
case by case basis. It is strongly recommended that the siting of speed limit
signs should be determined having regard to guidance in Chapter 3 of the Traffic
Signs Manual. Any decision to reduce the number of terminal signs should be
underpinned by robust risk analysis."
heebeegeetee said:
Definitely confirms that it's not about safety for me. If that 30mph limit was important at that point it would be clearly signed.
The cynic in me agrees!But don't forget that a road with a system of street lighting as prescribed is always a 30mph limit unless signed otherwise so even in the absence of any signage best to assume the worst.
Puddenchucker said:
Reading this in the local paper: http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/30mph_sign_near_...
"Mr Temperton said it was not a legal requirement to have the sign, as there was already one on the other side.."
I was under the impression that the start of a 30mph limit required two signs, one on either side of the road.
For reference, this is the change of limit on an unlit rural A road 50mph limit to an urban, street lit 30mph limit, and it's the sign on the left hand side that's missing.
https://goo.gl/maps/hKHmuxkwqzM2
As we can see in the quote below regarding the actual regulations, Mr Temperton is a f"Mr Temperton said it was not a legal requirement to have the sign, as there was already one on the other side.."
I was under the impression that the start of a 30mph limit required two signs, one on either side of the road.
For reference, this is the change of limit on an unlit rural A road 50mph limit to an urban, street lit 30mph limit, and it's the sign on the left hand side that's missing.
https://goo.gl/maps/hKHmuxkwqzM2
king idiot.Even I know that you must have ONE sign either side of the road when you enter the limit.
Ian clearly doesn't know this and it's his job. Frankly that's ridiculous and he should be sacked. He should be sacked for letting us know that he knows nothing. If you know nothing and least keep your gob shut!
I maintain that people that hold a job with the council only do so because they can't hold down a proper job. This does nothing to help.
WaferThinHam said:
As we can see in the quote below regarding the actual regulations, Mr Temperton is a fking idiot.
Even I know that you must have ONE sign either side of the road when you enter the limit.
Ian clearly doesn't know this and it's his job. Frankly that's ridiculous and he should be sacked. He should be sacked for letting us know that he knows nothing. If you know nothing and least keep your gob shut!
Already mentioned in this thread - that requirement was relaxed last year 'to reduce environmental impact'.king idiot.Even I know that you must have ONE sign either side of the road when you enter the limit.
Ian clearly doesn't know this and it's his job. Frankly that's ridiculous and he should be sacked. He should be sacked for letting us know that he knows nothing. If you know nothing and least keep your gob shut!
SS2. said:
WaferThinHam said:
As we can see in the quote below regarding the actual regulations, Mr Temperton is a fking idiot.
Even I know that you must have ONE sign either side of the road when you enter the limit.
Ian clearly doesn't know this and it's his job. Frankly that's ridiculous and he should be sacked. He should be sacked for letting us know that he knows nothing. If you know nothing and least keep your gob shut!
Already mentioned in this thread - that requirement was relaxed last year 'to reduce environmental impact'.king idiot.Even I know that you must have ONE sign either side of the road when you enter the limit.
Ian clearly doesn't know this and it's his job. Frankly that's ridiculous and he should be sacked. He should be sacked for letting us know that he knows nothing. If you know nothing and least keep your gob shut!
paintman said:
A minimum of one terminal sign must still be placed as close as
practicable to the point where a limit begins and ends, ...
Blimey, I thought the sign indicated the beginning of a limit. So I could be speeding before I reach the sign if it is close to but just after the limit starts. What a wizard wheeze that would be practicable to the point where a limit begins and ends, ...
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