Ring Mains question

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Daz1855

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321 posts

162 months

Tuesday 6th June 2017
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I am replacing my complete upstairs ring main, to move sockets about and also get them off the skirting board on to the wall itself at the same time.

Correct me if I am wrong but 2.5mm T&E for the ring main is what I believe to be correct for an average sized house (non commercial) ring main. My question relates to any spurs, is 4.00mm needed for any spurs or will a single 2.5mm T&E be ok for those too.

I know what the two spurs will be used for and also know they can easily be catered for by 2.5mm T&E current draw wise. But in the interest of doing this properly which is the right cable to use, 2.5mm or 4.0mm T&E?

Many thanks in advance for any input smile

Dave_ST220

10,296 posts

206 months

Tuesday 6th June 2017
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If you are rewiring the whole lot why do you need spurs? Maybe an idea to split it too so you have more than 1 ring. 2.5mm cable is fine for the spurs.

hairyben

8,516 posts

184 months

Tuesday 6th June 2017
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Yeah like dave says should be able to avoid spurs entirely when rewiring. 2.5 spur is fine for ONE accessory. 2.5 fine unless surrounded by insulation where poxy ill considered new regs come into play; best keep them seperate or if unavoidable duct it through.

Dave_ST220

10,296 posts

206 months

Tuesday 6th June 2017
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About the only need I can think of for a spur would be when it is fused down for something like the ignition on a gas fire...

Jambo85

3,319 posts

89 months

Tuesday 6th June 2017
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Bloody hell, 3 helpful responses to an electrical question, and no one has suggested OP needs to get a professional in!

Daz1855

Original Poster:

321 posts

162 months

Tuesday 6th June 2017
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Jambo85 said:
Bloody hell, 3 helpful responses to an electrical question, and no one has suggested OP needs to get a professional in!
Good point, well made wink

I may or may not be having the alarm mains supplied box upstairs, since that hasn't been established yet I am going to get on with putting in the ring main.

If when that decision has been made I need a supply I will stick a spur in, needless to say it will not be drawing much current but was trying to do it the right way, sounds like 2.5mm will be ok.

Make sense?

Dave_ST220

10,296 posts

206 months

Tuesday 6th June 2017
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Yes, fuse down to 3amp for the alarm but it would be unusual to have the panel upstairs-most sensors would be downstairs (normally just a PIR on the landing upstairs).

p1esk

4,914 posts

197 months

Tuesday 6th June 2017
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Jambo85 said:
Bloody hell, 3 helpful responses to an electrical question, and no one has suggested OP needs to get a professional in!
Yes, I noticed that. Things are looking up. smile

Alucidnation

16,810 posts

171 months

Tuesday 6th June 2017
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How are you going to test it and connect to your consumer unit?

ndg

560 posts

238 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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Alucidnation said:
How are you going to test it and connect to your consumer unit?
Presumably using a qualified electrician through a 3rd Party Accreditation scheme, such as NAPIT's?
https://www.napit.org.uk/schemes/third-party-certi...

Also, having the alarm panel upstairs seems like a good idea to me, much harder to find!

Dave_ST220

10,296 posts

206 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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You think it's a good idea to have the majority of cable runs longer than they probably needed to be? What does ease of finding the panel have to do with it? What will you do with the panel when you find it?

Mr Pointy

11,245 posts

160 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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That's better, they've turned up.

dirkgently

2,160 posts

232 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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Mr Pointy said:
That's better, they've turned up.
Tea break.

Alucidnation

16,810 posts

171 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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ndg said:
Alucidnation said:
How are you going to test it and connect to your consumer unit?
Presumably using a qualified electrician through a 3rd Party Accreditation scheme, such as NAPIT's?
https://www.napit.org.uk/schemes/third-party-certi...
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But you haven't actually found someone yet?

ndg

560 posts

238 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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Alucidnation said:
But you haven't actually found someone yet?
I'm not the OP, but this route rarely gets mentioned in these threads......

And yes he should already be talking to them already, but if the works are not yet covered up, it should be a non-issue.

Bristol spark

4,382 posts

184 months

Wednesday 7th June 2017
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ndg said:
I'm not the OP, but this route rarely gets mentioned in these threads......

And yes he should already be talking to them already, but if the works are not yet covered up, it should be a non-issue.
The NICEIC explicitly forbids the signing off of a 3rd parties work, so that rules out a good percentage of registered sparks.....


Daz1855

Original Poster:

321 posts

162 months

Friday 9th June 2017
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ndg said:
Alucidnation said:
How are you going to test it and connect to your consumer unit?
Presumably using a qualified electrician through a 3rd Party Accreditation scheme, such as NAPIT's?
https://www.napit.org.uk/schemes/third-party-certi...

Also, having the alarm panel upstairs seems like a good idea to me, much harder to find!
The property has had a large extension which included a new consumer unit and all new wiring fitted which is already working. All the original wiring elswhere in the house is now disconnected and redundant. All this work has been done by a qualified electrician.

I am currently chasing in all the ring main points with conduit where required so all the cable can be run through to all the sockets. When that is finished the electrician will come back to connect the wires and test everything.

There is an existing wired alarm (as opposed to wireless) already fitted upstair with all the cables run to it. The box will be replaced by a qualified alarm fitter and the position of it may move a bit but would rather not move it to downstairs and have to run all new cables as there is nothing wrong with the old ones.

I hope this plan does not upset any over sensitive professionals rotate

Dave_ST220

10,296 posts

206 months

Friday 9th June 2017
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Oh I'm sure it will biggrin Back in the real world what do these professionals think happens in most new builds?!

Alucidnation

16,810 posts

171 months

Friday 9th June 2017
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Daz1855 said:
he property has had a large extension which included a new consumer unit and all new wiring fitted which is already working. All the original wiring elswhere in the house is now disconnected and redundant. All this work has been done by a qualified electrician.

I am currently chasing in all the ring main points with conduit where required so all the cable can be run through to all the sockets. When that is finished the electrician will come back to connect the wires and test everything.

There is an existing wired alarm (as opposed to wireless) already fitted upstair with all the cables run to it. The box will be replaced by a qualified alarm fitter and the position of it may move a bit but would rather not move it to downstairs and have to run all new cables as there is nothing wrong with the old ones.

I hope this plan does not upset any over sensitive professionals rotate
Good man

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