ISP (not BT) want to cut down our trees

ISP (not BT) want to cut down our trees

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Mammasaid

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3,855 posts

98 months

Thursday 3rd August 2017
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Our local ISP delivers it's broadband via wireless point to point. One of their customers has complained that he's not getting the service he's paying for as trees on our land are interrupting the line of sight to the wireless transmitter.

They are going to seek compulsory access to lop branches for our trees. FWIW we have no contract with either the ISP or the customer.

Can they do this? Can we block them as they should have ensured that their network was resilient enough to cope with mature deciduous trees growing (we're not talking about fast growing conifers, or even trees adjoining the customer's property, these are 200-300m from the customer's premises)?

Any advice would be gratefully received.

21TonyK

11,537 posts

210 months

Thursday 3rd August 2017
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Be interested to see the outcome of this but IMVHO they can jog on. They want to take (I assume large) bits off your trees on your property for their benefit?

SantaBarbara

3,244 posts

109 months

Thursday 3rd August 2017
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Apply for a tree preservation order

TheAngryDog

12,409 posts

210 months

Thursday 3rd August 2017
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IANAL, but I would seek legal advice on this.

SantaBarbara

3,244 posts

109 months

Thursday 3rd August 2017
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Have they first of all asked for your permission?

hyphen

26,262 posts

91 months

Thursday 3rd August 2017
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SantaBarbara said:
Apply for a tree preservation order
Do this asap.

Mammasaid

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98 months

Thursday 3rd August 2017
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We're talking to our agents now, but the idea of a TPO sounds good though.

BTW, the trees have been in place for many years (50+) so it isn't as if we've just planted them.

mikeiow

5,384 posts

131 months

Thursday 3rd August 2017
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SantaBarbara said:
Apply for a tree preservation order
I'd second this....provided you are in your forever home and or don't feel it could put future purchaser off buying your place!

LeadFarmer

7,411 posts

132 months

Thursday 3rd August 2017
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If you get a TPO then you wouldn't be able to fell the trees if ever you needed to - house extension etc.

dudleybloke

19,848 posts

187 months

Thursday 3rd August 2017
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Tell them to put the device on a pole to raise the height above the treeline.

Dave_ST220

10,296 posts

206 months

Thursday 3rd August 2017
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SantaBarbara said:
Apply for a tree preservation order
Be VERY VERY careful going this route. Loads of tree's around here have TPO's and it's an absolute nightmare. Forget ever cutting branches off again in the future if the tree's have a TPO on them. As for the ISP, I very much doubt they can do this. They aren't classed as a utility?? (power companies obviously can cut trees that are affecting their power lines). I'd also question whether it would make much difference at all.

hyphen

26,262 posts

91 months

Thursday 3rd August 2017
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LeadFarmer said:
If you get a TPO then you wouldn't be able to fell the trees if ever you needed to - house extension etc.
And I think you would technically need to put in an application to let the council know you are trimming the trees?

Mammasaid

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98 months

Thursday 3rd August 2017
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LeadFarmer said:
If you get a TPO then you wouldn't be able to fell the trees if ever you needed to - house extension etc.
They're on farmland, so not close to housing.

SantaBarbara

3,244 posts

109 months

Thursday 3rd August 2017
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Power supply companies like Scottish Power routinely do this in rural areas but that relates to overhead cables.

Is the ISP classed as aStatutary Undertaker, I think is th expression?

Toltec

7,161 posts

224 months

Thursday 3rd August 2017
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dudleybloke said:
Tell them to put the device on a pole to raise the height above the treeline.
You could offer to let the ISP install a repeater on your land, for a suitable annual fee of course.

Narom

12 posts

105 months

Thursday 3rd August 2017
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A tree preservation order may protect it from an ISP, but it will also protect it from you.

Is it a tree you cut back? If so you'd need permission going forward if you got one.

If it's entirely on your land, not even overhanging any boundaries I'd kindly let them know that if they enter your property or touch the tree you will be calling the police for trespassing or criminal damage.

If you had a large building there they wouldn't be requesting permission to demolish it, tell them to figure out something else.

One thing in law to consider is that the tree came before the service and the contract between the customer and ISP. You can get all legal with regards to "right to light" but that is something that is either written in deeds or acquired over at least a 20 year period, they'd have to argue that for the last 20 years they wouldn't have had a problem with service until present day and the tree in its current condition.

Edited by Narom on Thursday 3rd August 16:17

Mammasaid

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98 months

Thursday 3rd August 2017
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Toltec said:
dudleybloke said:
Tell them to put the device on a pole to raise the height above the treeline.
You could offer to let the ISP install a repeater on your land, for a suitable annual fee of course.
That could be an interesting solution, however the ISP would prefer not to have to spend any more than was justified.

dudleybloke

19,848 posts

187 months

Thursday 3rd August 2017
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Toltec said:
dudleybloke said:
Tell them to put the device on a pole to raise the height above the treeline.
You could offer to let the ISP install a repeater on your land, for a suitable annual fee of course.
Good idea!
Ideally the fee should mean you get free internet.

essayer

9,080 posts

195 months

Thursday 3rd August 2017
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The Digital Economy Act 2017 (Schedule 1) amended the Communications Act to permit an operator to lop trees etc - read that before proceeding
It might only apply to 'wires' though (not wireless)

Edited by essayer on Thursday 3rd August 16:18

netherfield

2,689 posts

185 months

Thursday 3rd August 2017
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Ask for very large amounts of money.

or

Tell them to jog on.