An old polytunnel and weeds

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Skyedriver

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17,909 posts

283 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Oh no it's him again....
As part of the house we've bought there's a 12m x 4m polytunnel.
I'm clearing the national weed collection from the raised beds (except in general there's only about 3" soil in them and the largest docks and smallest carrots and strawberries I've ever seen).
Around the perimeter there's alsorts of stuff, fern, bracken, strawberries, slugs, a slow worm etc. It's coming into the tunnel from the outside where everything is overgrown.
I want to kill off the weeds outside and inside. I know glyphosate is now supposedly safe but being cautious, is there anything else?
Thinking rock salt spread which will soon be available in the garden/builders merchants again spread around the outside or should I just go for glyphosate. Could either damage the polythene.
As far as the beds themselves, thinking there's bound to be loads of seed from the weed, so thinking a good watering to spark growth then a second weeding?
Any other ideas on offer?
Thanks

Simpo Two

85,578 posts

266 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Glyphosate always has been 'safe'. It's just the quinoa-eating liberals with no science who get afraid of anything technical.

Glyphosate breaks down on contact with the soil and disappears, allowing plants to regrow. Salt will poison the soil (make it saline) and unlike glyphosate hasn't been tested/approved as a pesticide. Either way plastic will not be affected. Take yer pick!

Repeat doses of glyphosate every 4-6 weeks is the best answer short of weeding by hand.

Andehh

7,113 posts

207 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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Simpo Two said:
Glyphosate always has been 'safe'. It's just the quinoa-eating liberals with no science who get afraid of anything technical.

Glyphosate breaks down on contact with the soil and disappears, allowing plants to regrow. Salt will poison the soil (make it saline) and unlike glyphosate hasn't been tested/approved as a pesticide. Either way plastic will not be affected. Take yer pick!

Repeat doses of glyphosate every 4-6 weeks is the best answer short of weeding by hand.
Exactly this. There is also the benefit of having no choice - it's glyphosate or nothing these days! smile

Simpo Two

85,578 posts

266 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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I should point out I'm not accusing the OP of being a quinoa-eating liberal, but they take over the media and social media with their whining and start to make normal people afraid too.

Mobile Chicane

20,845 posts

213 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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Having inherited a seriously weed strewn vegetable garden I can say from first hand experience that there will be so much weed seed in the soil that the only sane option is to have the topsoil dug out and replaced.

Toltec

7,161 posts

224 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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Andehh said:
Exactly this. There is also the benefit of having no choice - it's glyphosate or nothing these days! smile
I've seen Ammonium Sulphamate suggested as a long term path/drive weedkiller, you cannot buy it as a weedkiller, but you can as a fire retardent...

If you want to kill growth then be able to grow things do you want later then glyphosate is the thing.

guindilias

5,245 posts

121 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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I wouldn't say Ammonium Sulphamate is a "long term" weedkiller - after 6 months to a year, it actually turns into a fertiliser in the soil!

Toltec

7,161 posts

224 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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guindilias said:
I wouldn't say Ammonium Sulphamate is a "long term" weedkiller - after 6 months to a year, it actually turns into a fertiliser in the soil!
Sounds like useful stuff, providing you don't let the weeds back in.

CharlesdeGaulle

26,319 posts

181 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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Mobile Chicane said:
Having inherited a seriously weed strewn vegetable garden I can say from first hand experience that there will be so much weed seed in the soil that the only sane option is to have the topsoil dug out and replaced.
Really? That must have been pretty bad. Could you not just keep spraying until nothing weedy was coming up?

guindilias

5,245 posts

121 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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I would just have seriously salted the soil... or used something like Paradise, if you wanted to replant.

MDMA .

8,909 posts

102 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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Disappointed. Read polytunnel and weed and was expecting big grow pics frown

Simpo Two

85,578 posts

266 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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CharlesdeGaulle said:
Really? That must have been pretty bad. Could you not just keep spraying until nothing weedy was coming up?
You can, but there will still be seeds blown in or dropped by birds.

CharlesdeGaulle

26,319 posts

181 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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Simpo Two said:
You can, but there will still be seeds blown in or dropped by birds.
Yes, but that's true of all gardens all the time isn't it? Topsoil is such an important bit of a garden that I'm surprised anyone would go to the work and expense of ditching it unless it was otherwise of poor quality.

Simpo Two

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266 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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CharlesdeGaulle said:
Simpo Two said:
You can, but there will still be seeds blown in or dropped by birds.
Yes, but that's true of all gardens all the time isn't it? Topsoil is such an important bit of a garden that I'm surprised anyone would go to the work and expense of ditching it unless it was otherwise of poor quality.
Yep. A garden is very artificial. The natural state of this country is deciduous forest. If you do nothing, that's what you'll eventually get smile

overunder12g

432 posts

87 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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Charles, you certainly strike a chord with me. Recently built a new house on a hilly piece of land. Spent about £4,500 on having good soil taken from site in order to level. Wife is now buying top soil from our local garden centre by the bag! I suspect we are buying our own soil back! Plus, having removed most of the good soil we are now faced with mostly clay.

CharlesdeGaulle

26,319 posts

181 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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Simpo Two said:
Yep. A garden is very artificial. The natural state of this country is deciduous forest. If you do nothing, that's what you'll eventually get smile
Yeah, eventually. Not sure that necessarily helps the OP though. wink

overunder12g

432 posts

87 months

Friday 25th August 2017
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Simpo, Would that not be a garden in the true sense? More like a wilderness.

Skyedriver

Original Poster:

17,909 posts

283 months

Monday 28th August 2017
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Moving on from the weeds, the polytunnel has an auto watering installation from the roof but the supply goes through this contraption which I assume regulates the time/flow/quantity etc. I guess there's something missing that plugs into it but haven't yet found anything.


gred

452 posts

170 months

Monday 28th August 2017
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Do you know a friendly farmer? The glysophate they can use is much more effective than the watered down stuff you get at the garden centre. You won't need much.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

187 months

Monday 28th August 2017
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That looks like a Gardena water computer.



The timer section holds a 9v battery and clips on to the bit you can see.

But it wouldn't be worth trying to mend it, and you'll find any timer will do, the trick will be making sure you get one that fits the connecting hoses.