Claiming a loss against shares in your tax return.

Claiming a loss against shares in your tax return.

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Mr Noble

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234 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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I’m after some help from the tax gurus please.

I lost a chunk of cash when a company I had shares in went into administration earlier this year.

As I understand it, I should be able to put down that amount against my profit for tax purposes, and effectively reduce my tax bill by 40% of the loss amount.

I’ve fully read this page on .gov but it’s still unclear.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/negligi...

The shares were within my ISA at the time, should that have any bearing.

So complicated! smile

bengalgooner

7 posts

79 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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If they were held in an ISA I don’t think there is much you can do - correct me if I’m wrong

bengalgooner

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79 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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If they were held in an ISA I don’t think there is much you can do - correct me if I’m wrong

xeny

4,309 posts

79 months

Friday 15th December 2017
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That's my understanding as well - no CGT on shares in an ISA, but the tradeoff is you can't claim for losses.

Mr Noble

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234 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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I had assumed that would be the case too, but there’s not a single mention of it in the document I’ve linked. You’d think there would be as it must be a very frequent situation for many.

Will have to dig a little deeper, or wait for a tax accountant to comment smile

Eric Mc

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266 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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Mezger

371 posts

107 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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@Eric, how many tax years can you go back to claim a loss?

Countdown

39,960 posts

197 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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Mr Noble said:
I’m after some help from the tax gurus please.

I lost a chunk of cash when a company I had shares in went into administration earlier this year.

As I understand it, I should be able to put down that amount against my profit for tax purposes, and effectively reduce my tax bill by 40% of the loss amount.

I’ve fully read this page on .gov but it’s still unclear.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/negligi...

The shares were within my ISA at the time, should that have any bearing.

So complicated! smile
Can I just check - you haven't been declaring the dividend income or profits from the sale of shares held in your ISA on your tax return, have you..? smile

Eric Mc

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266 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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Mezger said:
@Eric, how many tax years can you go back to claim a loss?
It's all in the HMRC guide I provided the link to.

Mr Noble

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Sunday 17th December 2017
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Countdown said:
Can I just check - you haven't been declaring the dividend income or profits from the sale of shares held in your ISA on your tax return, have you..? smile
I have never sold any.

Mr Noble

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Sunday 17th December 2017
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Eric Mc said:
Eric, that’s the exact same link I posted in my OP.

No mention of rules on whether it's different if in an ISA.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 17th December 2017
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I would suggest that, if an asset is excluded from Capital Gains Tax when it is part of an ISA wrapper, then, if the asset is disposed of at a loss, no tax relief is available.


plover

362 posts

212 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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This HMRC link : https://www.gov.uk/capital-gains-tax/losses
Says losses are only reportable against 'chargeable 'assets' and the link to chargeable assets description, excludes ISA/PEPs

From that I'd say you can't claim losses for any shares inside an ISA.

WindyCommon

3,382 posts

240 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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Mr Noble said:
Eric Mc said:
Eric, that’s the exact same link I posted in my OP.

No mention of rules on whether it's different if in an ISA.
The link prescribes that negligible value claims can only be made for shares in companies that have never been listed on a recognised stock exchange.

ISA rules prescribe that any shares held in an ISA must be listed on a recognised stock exchange.

Therefore the relief that you highlight in your opening post is not available,

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

245 months

Sunday 17th December 2017
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WindyCommon said:
Mr Noble said:
Eric Mc said:
Eric, that’s the exact same link I posted in my OP.

No mention of rules on whether it's different if in an ISA.
The link prescribes that negligible value claims can only be made for shares in companies that have never been listed on a recognised stock exchange.

ISA rules prescribe that any shares held in an ISA must be listed on a recognised stock exchange.

Therefore the relief that you highlight in your opening post is not available,
Don't know a lot about ISAs, but a capital loss cannot be offset against other gains.

As an aside, a negligible value claim could be made as and when the conditions are met, but there'll be an actual disposal when the company is eventually put into liquidation. Therefore no need to rely on a NVC if the company is liquidated.