Condensation on roof membrane

Condensation on roof membrane

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Gooose

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1,448 posts

80 months

Sunday 4th February 2018
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I’m having the upstairs plastered atm on the renovation i’m doing, and the plasterers are near to doing the extension dorma I have built, however I after cleaning up I noticed what looked like a leak between two plaster boards.

I removed the plasterboard and the kingspan above it and found the membrane was full of condensation, this was dripping onto the kingspan and through a joint and out onto the plasterboard.

This has only just happened and I’ve had the plasterboard up for a good year. Could it be all the water from the plaster and roughing out coming out and going into the roof space from the holes where the down lights are going?

We have had three upstairs rooms plastered and this is the last one, left.

V8RX7

26,951 posts

264 months

Sunday 4th February 2018
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Did they install a vapour barrier ?

Did they tape the celotex boards ?

Presumably you have an unvented warm roof - do you have a breathable membrane ?

Gooose

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1,448 posts

80 months

Sunday 4th February 2018
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V8RX7 said:
Did they install a vapour barrier ?

Did they tape the celotex boards ?

Presumably you have an unvented warm roof - do you have a breathable membrane ?
Not quite sure what a vapour barrier is on roof?

The kingspan is taped up but there was a bit missing at this section, there is a breathable membrane below the slates.

I assumed it was vented Through the eaves from one side of the house to the other

Gooose

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80 months

Sunday 4th February 2018
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The plasterer even commented that all the boards were bone dry before he started, and he had to unibond the whole lot

I’m trying to pin point why it’s just occurred, I’ve done s few things that could trap the moisture in the house, like block up around the old front and back doors due to it being unheated atm, I also took a ton of soaking wet sand into the house for the plasterers to rough out with, could this cause a bit of it

magooagain

10,053 posts

171 months

Monday 5th February 2018
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All the water used in the plastering has got to go somewhere. This time of year is generally humid also.
If you get a dry windy day get the windows open. If not a de humidifier is the way to go.

If the insulation wasn't up there then there would be beads of water on the under felt/membrane after the plastering.

Spare tyre

9,673 posts

131 months

Monday 5th February 2018
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I’d pop a desk fan up there for a few days and then remove and review

V8RX7

26,951 posts

264 months

Monday 5th February 2018
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You have to stop the water getting up to the felt - either by taping all the joints - or better by also installing polythene over the lot.

As you've seen breathable felt isn't that breathable - particularly in the winter

The downlights, the missing tape and / or poor fitting of boards is probably responsible for letting the water vapour through.

Highlighted by the excessive water in the house due to building works.


Alucidnation

16,810 posts

171 months

Tuesday 6th February 2018
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Uni-bond the bare plasterboard?

Wow.

Gooose

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80 months

Tuesday 6th February 2018
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Alucidnation said:
Uni-bond the bare plasterboard?

Wow.
Another waste of time post, you must be a real life victor meldrew

Alucidnation

16,810 posts

171 months

Tuesday 6th February 2018
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Gooose said:
Alucidnation said:
Uni-bond the bare plasterboard?

Wow.
Another waste of time post, you must be a real life victor meldrew
You’re welcome.

V8RX7

26,951 posts

264 months

Tuesday 6th February 2018
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Alucidnation said:
Uni-bond the bare plasterboard?

Wow.
I'd had a plasterer insist on this - if it's been dabbed on and up for a while he said it gets too dry and sucks to fast.

As he does a good job and it costs nothing to roller a bit of PVA on - why not ?

Alucidnation

16,810 posts

171 months

Tuesday 6th February 2018
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I have been involved in the trade for many, many years and I have never seen or heard of a plasterer doing it.




Rosscow

8,787 posts

164 months

Tuesday 6th February 2018
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I must admit, I’ve never heard of unibonding bare plasterboard, either.

Although I’m not in the trade!

Gooose

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80 months

Tuesday 6th February 2018
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V8RX7 said:
Alucidnation said:
Uni-bond the bare plasterboard?

Wow.
I'd had a plasterer insist on this - if it's been dabbed on and up for a while he said it gets too dry and sucks to fast.

As he does a good job and it costs nothing to roller a bit of PVA on - why not ?
Exactly what my plasterer said, and he’s been doing it 26 years, a quick google search and there are hundreds of threads on plasterers forums asking about it and many saying how and why they do it. I honestly think this alucid person is a troll, doesn’t add anything to any thread he comments on

Alucidnation

16,810 posts

171 months

Tuesday 6th February 2018
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V8RX7 said:
Alucidnation said:
Uni-bond the bare plasterboard?

Wow.
I'd had a plasterer insist on this - if it's been dabbed on and up for a while he said it gets too dry and sucks to fast.

As he does a good job and it costs nothing to roller a bit of PVA on - why not ?
I can see the reasoning behind, it's just something that iv'e never seen.

Mind you, most of the spreads i have had the pleasure of, normally have it like water anyway.