Poster size question.

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Phil S

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730 posts

239 months

Monday 25th April 2005
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Ok I have taken the following picture:



and the driver would like a poster doing.

The original image size is an 8.3MPixel RAW file from my 20D (3504 x 2336 pixels)

A 100% crop of the image is shown below:


The guy would like the biggest poster possible out of this, what size do you think I could take it up to without massive image degredation? I was thinking A2 size . Will this look ok? (I don't want to order it all and find out it looks rubbish!)

agent006

12,041 posts

265 months

Monday 25th April 2005
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pixaco said:
4. What minimum resolution should my pictures have?
For acceptable quality, the image-size should not be less than the following recommendations:


Format recommended minimumimage-size in pixels

5x3.5 640x428 (640x480)
6x4 800x533 (800x600)
7x5 1024x682 (1024x768)
12x8 1280x853 (1280x1024)
18x12 1600x1067 (1600x1200)
24x16 2560x1707 (2560x1920)
30x20 3000x2000 (3000x2250)

The following image-sizes are recommended for high quality printout results:


Format recommended size in pixels

5x3.5 1024x682 (1024x768)
6x4 1280x853 (1280x1024)
7x5 1600x1067 (1600x1200)
12x8 2048x1365 (2048x1536)
18x12 3000x2000 (3000x2225)
24x16 4000x2667 (4000x3000)
30x20 5000x3333 (5000x3750)


Not sure if that answers what your'e after.

GetCarter

29,407 posts

280 months

Tuesday 26th April 2005
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I just did a rough calculation...

+/- 18 inches x 12 inches @ 200 dpi (which would easilly be good enough for a poster) 100 dpi starts to get a bit dodgy.

you can do the maths from there!

Steve


>> Edited by GetCarter on Tuesday 26th April 07:45

luca brazzi

3,975 posts

266 months

Tuesday 26th April 2005
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Do a bit of noise reduction on it too, beef up the contrast...it'll help on grain and punch. Great pic btw.

LB

Phil S

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730 posts

239 months

Tuesday 26th April 2005
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I tried NeatImage and it made a right mess of it

Thanks for the help guys, i'll get my head round the information this afternoon and order the print. (It's far to early to do anything that important!)

trackdemon

12,193 posts

262 months

Tuesday 26th April 2005
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I've had some excellent quality A2 prints from my D100, RAW, 6.3MB approx 3000x2000. Try adding a black border with the text "RS Turbo" or suchlike to reduce the image size needed. Perhaps interpolate the image with PS rather than letting the printers resize themselves?

V6GTO

11,579 posts

243 months

Tuesday 26th April 2005
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A bit like this?...I also cloned out a lot of the rubbish etc.



Martin.

Phil S

Original Poster:

730 posts

239 months

Tuesday 26th April 2005
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Excellent Martin! I have copied your ideas and it looks 100 times better - it is all in the detail! Also added a plain balck bored and will get it printed in A2 size now.

Trackdemon, what do you mean by interpolate?

Thanks again

chim_knee

12,689 posts

258 months

Tuesday 26th April 2005
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Phil S said:
I tried NeatImage and it made a right mess of it

Thanks for the help guys, i'll get my head round the information this afternoon and order the print. (It's far to early to do anything that important!)
I've heard that NoiseNinja is well regarded too...

Phil S

Original Poster:

730 posts

239 months

Tuesday 26th April 2005
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Well, I am stunned!

I emailed the file to Pixaco (seemingly the cheapest place to get the poster printed) asking for their opinion of print size, expecting nothing short of a barrage of abuse in return for sending them a 4 megabyte JPEG file. Instead I got a lengthy answer specifically written for my file and question, and they had even tested it against their software for suitability, advising me to correct the aspect ratio and possibly add some borders (as suggested above). The reply even came under 30 minutes after asking the question!

As for the noise reduction, it had escaped my brain that it was a RAW file I was dealing with so I just used the NR and Luminence smoothing in that - worked a treat.

joust

14,622 posts

260 months

Tuesday 26th April 2005
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Pixaco rocks, as I've often said.

Also check out http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/increaseresolution/ for articles on how to increase the resolution.

Using some of these tricks I've pushed many an image "up one size" to a level that no-one, not even on squinting at it, can notice.

The key thing is that most printers don't use one of the "clever" ways of streching an image to fill the poster size. This means that at worse you get "blocks" in the printed image.

By using something like bicubic upsampling, the software "fills in the missing bits" and when you print it those "smoothed out" bits are printed.

As a rule, try not to go below 200dpi of what you send to the printer to get excellent results, no less than 125dpi for good results.

To illustrate the effect, here are three images.

1) The original image from my Canon


2) Now, if you printed that, say, at A1, i.e. 7 times larger than normal, the printer would just upscale it and if you looked close you would see this

See the blocks - that's what normal resizing does.

3) But, if you increased the resolution (in this case I've scaled up 7 times) using bicubic sampling you get this


Now - step back from your monitor and you'll see that after you get about 4 feet away the last image looks "fine" but you can still see the "blocks" on the second image.

Hope that makes sense!

J

dinkel

26,962 posts

259 months

Wednesday 27th April 2005
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Check out those big ad posters

And check out the rasterpoints . . . It's not made for you to look at it with ur nose on it . . . Once made a 6 metre long banner from a 124 mb tiff. Looked great:

www.codered.nl/html/images/sunblade_1_800600.jpg