removing reflections

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_dobbo_

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14,418 posts

249 months

Sunday 22nd May 2005
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I let my sister loose with the D70 yesterday as she went off to "Monkey World" in Dorset.

She did quite well on "auto" mode although it looks like she struggled to take pics through the fence, and since I don't have a polariser for my sigma lens, she got some bad reflection off glass in a couple of shots. (not that she would know to add a polariser in any case)

But hey ho thought I, I'll just bugger around in Photoshop and fix them. FAT CHANCE.

So I throw it open to the PH massive, does anyone know an effective way of removing reflections from glass?

Image: [url]link to bigger version|http://www.skinfull.co.uk/photos/d70/monkeyworld/reflectbig.jpg[/url]

[pic]http://www.skinfull.co.uk/photos/d70/monkeyworld/reflect.jpg[/pic]

simpo two

85,757 posts

266 months

Sunday 22nd May 2005
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I think you're buggered. She should have moved a bit to dodge the reflection, or used a polarising filter. You can't put back what isn't there

Pity, as the photo underneath looks very good. Is she pretty? I could offer 1:1 tuition

>> Edited by simpo two on Sunday 22 May 19:52

Ex-biker

1,315 posts

248 months

Sunday 22nd May 2005
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You could try masking the reflective area and putting a grey fill layer over it.

It won't get rid of the green etc, but it could add more detail/ contrast to the monkey.

joust

14,622 posts

260 months

Sunday 22nd May 2005
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Try here for some pointers

www.retouchpro.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10333&highlight=reflection

If you register you can post the image up and the resident experts will have a go at it for you.

There really are some clever peeps on there.

You could also buy "Photoshop Restoration & Retouching by Katrin Eismann". It apparently has a section on how to attempt this.

J

406

3,636 posts

254 months

Sunday 22nd May 2005
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simpo two said:
Is she pretty? I could offer 1:1 tuition



Ah, Simpo Two, The Photo forums version of vixpy

beano500

20,854 posts

276 months

Sunday 22nd May 2005
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Well, an awful lot is possible!

Just for my own interest I have had a bash. Nothing useable really, but by creating layers on selections it is possible to make some inroads.

Probably needs sackfuls of patience!!

At my level of Photoshop skills, I have to say that I would be back on the doorstep tomorrow morning to take some more shots!!!

dcw@pr

3,516 posts

244 months

Sunday 22nd May 2005
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its quite easy to get rid of the green, but its more difficult to put back in the contrast to match it up with the rest of the picture. I did have a go but it didn't look all that good. I would say theres not a huge amount of hope - as someone else said it's probably better to go back...

_dobbo_

Original Poster:

14,418 posts

249 months

Monday 23rd May 2005
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Ok, thought as much but it doesn't hurt to ask!

She did reasonably well so it's not like she's mourning the loss of this one picture, it's just that mr bravado here said he could easily do something in photoshop to rescue it!

There's reflection of some sort in most of the pics. I'm pretty sure a polarising filter would have robbed what little light there was and then none of the images would have been steady, so I guess a bit of reflection is a small price to pay.

best of the rest:







beano500

20,854 posts

276 months

Monday 23rd May 2005
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Mm - nice shots. The last one would be relatively easy, I think, to deal with the reflection. The eyes could do with a lift anyway, so there's some promise in that!

beano500

20,854 posts

276 months

Monday 23rd May 2005
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How long has that taken me...


Now, someone can do it properly!



Sorry just fancied the challenge, I realy must learn how to use this program!!!

_dobbo_

Original Poster:

14,418 posts

249 months

Monday 23rd May 2005
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Nicely done!

I think because I didn't take the pics myself I'm less bothered by how they look. Selfish? Moi? Never!

dcw@pr

3,516 posts

244 months

Monday 23rd May 2005
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beano500 said:
How long has that taken me...


that's a good start. ive fiddled slightly with your effort. the main thing I did was reomove the repeating patterns that a dead giveaway of the clone stamp. Then a bit of contrasty stuff done too

twister

1,454 posts

237 months

Wednesday 25th May 2005
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Going back to that first photo, I played around with it a bit in PaintShop and got this far before running out of patience...


larger version here

_dobbo_

Original Poster:

14,418 posts

249 months

Wednesday 25th May 2005
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nicely done! can you elaborate on what steps you took to get there?

cheers!

twister

1,454 posts

237 months

Wednesday 25th May 2005
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_dobbo_ said:
nicely done! can you elaborate on what steps you took to get there?

cheers!


Umm, let's think... *curses self for not noting down all the processes used during the editing*


Freehand selection of the reflection, then fiddled with the brightness and contrast within that selection until it roughly matched the surrounding area.

Desaturation of the fur areas affected by the green haze, turning them into greyscale. Some colour was then restored to the fur by using the clone tool in colour replace mode and copying the colour/shading from other patches of fur that weren't affected by the reflection.

Areas of the cage and seat were touched up with the clone tool in normal mode.

Boundaries between processed and unprocessed areas were blurred/smudged/pushed/generally beaten up a little to make them less obvious.

Darken tool was used to touch up some areas of fur and face which still looked a bit too bright.

Right hand side of the image was darkened up with a linear gradient on a separate layer.


This all resulted in an image which looked similar to, but not identical to, the copy I've posted here. During the editing, some of the finer detail around the head area had been lost, so to restore that I then copied the original onto a new layer above the edited image and used the eraser tool to gradually erase away the original until just enough of it was left, at just the right level of transparency, to mix in with the edited version and provide most of the required detail.


In all cases, I set the tools to have a low hardness setting, which gives them a nicely feathered edge and lets each application of the tool blend in with the surrounding area.

dcw@pr

3,516 posts

244 months

Wednesday 25th May 2005
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_dobbo_ said:
nicely done! can you elaborate on what steps you took to get there?

cheers!


just a quick improvement - take off the green/yellow/blue reflections from the face,

twister

1,454 posts

237 months

Wednesday 25th May 2005
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dcw@pr said:

just a quick improvement - take off the green/yellow/blue reflections from the face


Subtle, but a definite improvement! The facial area was slightly bugging me, but I couldn't see what the problem was - and even now that I know exactly what to look for, if I just look at my edit without comparing it to yours then it still isn't obvious... maybe I should leave colour matching to people who aren't colour blind