Cheap Machine Mart pillar drills

Cheap Machine Mart pillar drills

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105.4

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4,131 posts

72 months

Monday 27th September 2021
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There’s currently a few different models for sale at Machine Mart for under £150, which isn’t much more than equivalent used models are going for on eBay.

I just wondered if anyone has one of these cheaper Clarke pillar drills and how competent these drills are at metal fabrication? Or are they as weak as piss and best avoided ?

Thanks in advance.

Mave

8,209 posts

216 months

Monday 27th September 2021
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I've got over of the basic ones, had it about 10 years. It's OK, but not hugely substantial. The return spring has broken, the plastic knobs have got brittle and snapped. My main issue is that the travel isn't great so you need to adjust the height of the platform every you time you change drill length if you want to drill a reasonable depth.

105.4

Original Poster:

4,131 posts

72 months

Monday 27th September 2021
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Mave said:
I've got over of the basic ones, had it about 10 years. It's OK, but not hugely substantial. The return spring has broken, the plastic knobs have got brittle and snapped. My main issue is that the travel isn't great so you need to adjust the height of the platform every you time you change drill length if you want to drill a reasonable depth.
Thanks Mave.

It wouldn’t be a tool that got a lot of use. I’ve fabricated 60 brackets that all need 8 holes each drilling in them. I’ve drilled six brackets so far and it’s a laborious task, hence the thoughts of a bench mounted pillar drill.

After I’ve done these brackets the drill would only be used a few times a year.

What I’m basically asking is, for £150(ish), are they worth the money in your (and others) opinion?

brman

1,233 posts

110 months

Monday 27th September 2021
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I would say they are all reasonable value for money but it all depends on what you want to do with them.

If you want to drill larger holes, particularly in steel, then you are likely to need lower speeds. For that you are likely to be spending more.
I would also say that the cheaper ones tend not to be so rigid. Again, not a problem on smaller holes but can be an issue with big holes in steel.

I think it also depends on what you are looking at 2nd hand.
Something like this:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144211972593?hash=item2...
goes down to 80rpm which is suprisingly useful compared to the more normal 150+
There is a reason stuff like the meddings cost £1000s new wink

brman

1,233 posts

110 months

Monday 27th September 2021
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105.4 said:
Thanks Mave.

It wouldn’t be a tool that got a lot of use. I’ve fabricated 60 brackets that all need 8 holes each drilling in them. I’ve drilled six brackets so far and it’s a laborious task, hence the thoughts of a bench mounted pillar drill.

After I’ve done these brackets the drill would only be used a few times a year.

What I’m basically asking is, for £150(ish), are they worth the money in your (and others) opinion?
Then I would say yes. More than good enough for occasional use. I used a £50 B&Q special for years before I got my meddings.

105.4

Original Poster:

4,131 posts

72 months

Monday 27th September 2021
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brman said:
I think it also depends on what you are looking at 2nd hand.
Something like this:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144211972593?hash=item2...
goes down to 80rpm which is suprisingly useful compared to the more normal 150+
There is a reason stuff like the meddings cost £1000s new wink
I do very little woodwork. Metal fab I’ll do 2-3 times per year. There just isn’t the accuracy with hand-held drills and it makes repetitive work a bloody chore !

Yeah, I’ve watched a few Meddings on eBay over the past few weeks. They all seem to go for strong money, (or at least more than I could justify spending).

Going back a couple of weeks before I really started looking, I thought I’d be able to get something decent but used for under £100. I’ve been surprised at how well sought after these old drills are. Which is what made me think about getting one of the cheaper new ones. At least then I’d get a warranty with it.

I’m just not sure if the cheaper ones are up to the job of metalwork or is they are woodwork proficient only?

Jakg

3,478 posts

169 months

Monday 27th September 2021
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I've got a Wickes own brand cheap one (think it was £35 on clearance).

Miles better than using drill freehand.

Keyed chuck is a bit fiddly and it's not perfect in every dimension, but worth every penny... if you have the space to store it.

105.4 said:
I’m just not sure if the cheaper ones are up to the job of metalwork or is they are woodwork proficient only?
Mine will drill steel no issue with proper bits.

In fact because it's a proper tool I can leave the cutting fluid and a set of decent drill bits (that don't get abused drilling stuff around the house...) with it too.

Belle427

9,037 posts

234 months

Tuesday 28th September 2021
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They are ideal for use now and again, I’ve had 2 in the past and they sold well too when I didn’t need them any more.

RicksAlfas

13,422 posts

245 months

Tuesday 28th September 2021
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I've had a Clarke one from Machine Mart for twenty years. I wouldn't want to build a Space Shuttle with it, but for DIY it's been more than adequate.

liner33

10,703 posts

203 months

Tuesday 28th September 2021
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RicksAlfas said:
I've had a Clarke one from Machine Mart for twenty years. I wouldn't want to build a Space Shuttle with it, but for DIY it's been more than adequate.
Same here , dont use it much but had it since 2000 , had to replace the capacitor but its still working well

Arnold Cunningham

3,776 posts

254 months

Wednesday 29th September 2021
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I've got one of the Clarke floor standing ones. As above, wouldn't want to build a space shuttle with it, but generally it's been a good bit of kit.

105.4

Original Poster:

4,131 posts

72 months

Wednesday 29th September 2021
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Thanks all for your advice and experience.

Rather than spend close to £100 for a used one, (plus travelling time and fuel to collect it), I think I’ll spend £150-£160 on a new one and get it delivered. With any luck Machine Mart will be having a VAT-Free weekend soon as well.

Cheers smile

RicksAlfas

13,422 posts

245 months

Wednesday 29th September 2021
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105.4 said:
With any luck Machine Mart will be having a VAT-Free weekend soon as well.
Not sure they still do those. Not seen one for a long time!

Griffith4ever

4,314 posts

36 months

Saturday 2nd October 2021
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For anything more than hobby DIY use their don't have enough grunt. I could stall mine far too easily. I drill 100s of holes in a session. In fairness, it was fine for occasional use.

I bought an old proper heavy pillar drill and swapped out the three phase for a 240v motor. I can still slip the belt but only if I'm really careless. Plus, the chuck spins true.

105.4

Original Poster:

4,131 posts

72 months

Saturday 2nd October 2021
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Griffith4ever said:
For anything more than hobby DIY use their don't have enough grunt. I could stall mine far too easily. I drill 100s of holes in a session. In fairness, it was fine for occasional use.

I bought an old proper heavy pillar drill and swapped out the three phase for a 240v motor. I can still slip the belt but only if I'm really careless. Plus, the chuck spins true.
Is that using it on wood or metal plate?

If metal, was it on thin stuff, (0.8-2.0mm) or on thicker 4-5mm?

Griffith4ever

4,314 posts

36 months

Saturday 2nd October 2021
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Metal. Aluminium. 2mm normally.

Like I said if you are careful and slow there is nout wrong with the cheapies, but im pulling the drill down again and again, for one hour sessions and you really appreciate the power.

105.4

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4,131 posts

72 months

Saturday 2nd October 2021
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Griffith4ever said:
Metal. Aluminium. 2mm normally.

Like I said if you are careful and slow there is nout wrong with the cheapies, but im pulling the drill down again and again, for one hour sessions and you really appreciate the power.
Many thanks

tr7v8

7,201 posts

229 months

Saturday 2nd October 2021
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If using a pillar drill make sure you get a vice & clamp the work down. I've seen a few accidents where the drill grabs the workpiece & spins it. If your hands are in the way you'll get hurt.

105.4

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4,131 posts

72 months

Saturday 2nd October 2021
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tr7v8 said:
If using a pillar drill make sure you get a vice & clamp the work down. I've seen a few accidents where the drill grabs the workpiece & spins it. If your hands are in the way you'll get hurt.
Been there. Done that paperbag

CoolHands

18,749 posts

196 months

Saturday 2nd October 2021
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I’ve got one I bought new 13 or 14 years ago. Been happy with it, seems pretty decent .