A little "rules" quiz

A little "rules" quiz

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Benni

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3,517 posts

211 months

Friday 31st December 2021
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Hello DragHeads,

as we are in the middle of the off-season, I think of some rule-based questions.

1st : A racer is on a by-run into next round, he goes all-out for lane choice,

and crosses center line before finishing, no time is recorded.

Will he/she still make it into next round, as the lane violation has endangered no other racer ?


Meteor Madness

403 posts

202 months

Friday 31st December 2021
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My guess (as a mere spectator/fan) ... is that the car was staged, and therefore goes through to the next round, with no time recorded.

NitroWars

661 posts

211 months

Sunday 2nd January 2022
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I agree, obviously as NTR then no chance of infringing racer getting lane choice.

Benni

Original Poster:

3,517 posts

211 months

Monday 3rd January 2022
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I saw that on the semi finals of "Manufacturer´s Cup" in November at Valdosta in TF Bike.

The racer was DQ´d, the final was a solo, I was quite surprised.

But then, some of the US rules in different organizations and associations seem to vary a bit

from the European rules that I -more or less- know.

I don´t know if ManCup rules allow a "just staging" for making a round,

maybe it´s "once you start a run ( leave under power) , you have to finish it in your lane" ?

Benni

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3,517 posts

211 months

Tuesday 4th January 2022
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Follwing the lane crossing problem, I have another question where I don´t know the answer :

If a racer has a bye-run into next round,

in which classes he/she is required to "leave the line under own power" ,

as opposed to "just taking the stage bulb" in order to enter next round ?

I *think* MSA rules differ a bit from german DMSB rules.

NitroWars

661 posts

211 months

Tuesday 4th January 2022
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From the MSUK 2021 Rulebook

11.3.5 Single Runs
In situations where a driver is making a single run, he is considered the winner once he stages and receives the start signal. If a competitor crosses the boundary line on a single run, the elapsed time is voided for lane choice determination.


Note: A driver is mentioned here, I'll have another look to see whether riders are mentioned.

NitroWars

661 posts

211 months

Tuesday 4th January 2022
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From the bike section:

RPS 3.4 SINGLE RUNS
In situations where a rider is making a single run, he is considered the winner once he stages and receives the start signal. If a competitor crosses the boundary line on a single run, the elapsed time is voided for lane choice determination.

Benni

Original Poster:

3,517 posts

211 months

Tuesday 4th January 2022
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Nitro Wars : Thanks for the quick clearing of that one.
Is it allowed to push the vehicle into the beams without engine running ? Blue line not important then ?
Could be good if a competitor needs pit time to check/repair before next round with an opponent.

NitroWars

661 posts

211 months

Tuesday 4th January 2022
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Vehicles have to stage under their own power, so engines need to be running. With a bike, if the gear box is broken say, it would be possible to run the engine and stage the bike to "take the green" and then repair before the next round. Except for ET Bike the classes are all run if less than eight qualifiers, eight or sixteen, so the only way to get a bye is if a competitor had irreparable damage.

Edited by NitroWars on Tuesday 4th January 18:22

Benni

Original Poster:

3,517 posts

211 months

Thursday 6th January 2022
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There still are some small differences between UK and GER racing rules,

in this case according to DMSB the vehicle has to LEAVE the beams under own power, staging is not enough.

In the last years, euro rules have been evened out by the national associations, which is a good thing,

so this may be addressed in the future.

I doubt Pro ET will go down from 9:00 to 8:50 in Germany, though, at least not in the near future.

In Germany, there are two legal ways of red light rules : "first is worst", and "worst is worst",

both may be used by event-organizing race clubs, so better read the small print in the entry form,

although I have not seen a race yet with "worst is worst".

NitroWars

661 posts

211 months

Thursday 6th January 2022
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I believe the UK rules have been altered as I think they used to read that the start line beam had to be remade, therefore the clocks would start to run.

Edited by NitroWars on Thursday 6th January 10:51

Benni

Original Poster:

3,517 posts

211 months

Tuesday 18th January 2022
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Another question, based on an incident in France last year :

SuProET Final, two cars, one redlights and the other breaks during the run.

The driver had to get out of the car and push it to the finish line, as only then he was declared winner.

Would that happen in UK, too, or is it "First is Worst" rule and the broken car does not need an ET at all ?

NitroWars

661 posts

211 months

Tuesday 18th January 2022
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I believe that to be the correct result, that is, the finish line beams need to be broken by the stricken vehicle. If the driver hadn't pushed through it would have been the Race Director's decision which would have possibly been that there was no winner!

Camaro

1,419 posts

175 months

Wednesday 19th January 2022
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If a driver red lights, the win goes to the other lane. If the 'winning' driver has to be towed off the track, they are still declared the winner unless they break a worse rule. Eg, breaking and then tapping a wall or crossing the centreline. As far as I am aware there is nothing about completing a run to be declared the winner or going through to the next round.

NitroWars

661 posts

211 months

Saturday 22nd January 2022
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Camaro said:
If a driver red lights, the win goes to the other lane. If the 'winning' driver has to be towed off the track, they are still declared the winner unless they break a worse rule. Eg, breaking and then tapping a wall or crossing the centreline. As far as I am aware there is nothing about completing a run to be declared the winner or going through to the next round.

Once a red light is activated the win light does show in the opposite lane, however, I still believe it is under the Race Director's remit whether the stricken vehicle is awarded the win.

Camaro

1,419 posts

175 months

Tuesday 1st February 2022
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NitroWars said:

Once a red light is activated the win light does show in the opposite lane, however, I still believe it is under the Race Director's remit whether the stricken vehicle is awarded the win.
Sadly not true, there have been plenty of examples over the years of cars (particularly in bracket racing) where the first car leaves and doesn't realise the second car has either broke on the line, or not far off the startline. First car goes sailing down the track, breaksout, win goes to broke car.

A red light is a racing violation just like breaking out, so the result would be the same, the win would got to the other driver, getting the tow of shame.

Gtxxjon

684 posts

27 months

Tuesday 1st February 2022
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Yes that has happened to someone I know too.

Red light won over breakout which seems odd to me?

A red light should be an automatic loss, as long as the the other car leaves the line legally.

But going back to the original question, a run should be ‘a run’ irrespective of other lane.

You could ‘get a bye’ all the way to a trophy without ever running a proper time?

Or maybe there is a rule that says you can’t lol...

Surely it’s in the interest of the driver and team to ‘run hard’ to get info etc?

But more important (maybe to me) ‘for the fans’ who pay to watch...

Edited by Gtxxjon on Tuesday 1st February 11:17

Camaro

1,419 posts

175 months

Tuesday 1st February 2022
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Gtxxjon said:
Yes that has happened to someone I know too.

Red light won over breakout which seems odd to me?

A red light should be an automatic loss, as long as the the other car leaves the line legally.
The only way someone can win when pulling a red is for the other lane to have a worse safety infraction ie, crossing the centre line of the wall. A breakout will still win if the other lane has gone red.

Benni

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3,517 posts

211 months

Thursday 3rd February 2022
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Camaro : My view, too, the "First is worst" rule applies here, the red light driver would be losing,

only if the not-redlighting opponent touches / crosses lane boundaries the redlighter will win.