Cobham services removing hydrogen filling station

Cobham services removing hydrogen filling station

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Lordbenny

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8,588 posts

220 months

Sunday 18th September 2022
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After 5 years….and will not replace it!

Oh dear, the three hydrogen car owners will have to drive to either Gatwick or Heathrow now!

swisstoni

17,035 posts

280 months

Sunday 18th September 2022
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I know where this thread is going and who’s going to turn up. Maybe I’ve been here too long.

Fastlane

1,153 posts

218 months

Sunday 18th September 2022
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Lordbenny said:
After 5 years….and will not replace it!

Oh dear, the three hydrogen car owners will have to drive to either Gatwick or Heathrow now!
Don't worry, given how much Toyota are spending on hydrogen development, I'm sure that the Mirai owner's will be well looked after (perhaps Toyota UK will back their Mirais and scrap them?)

Edited by Fastlane on Sunday 18th September 09:52

Fusion777

2,236 posts

49 months

Sunday 18th September 2022
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Don't cheer too loudly- this installation and electrolyser were built by ITM Power in Sheffield which looks like quite an exciting company. We should be bigging up UK engineering/design/manufacturing rather than automatically slating new technologies.

We can only have so many influencers, drop shippers and property developers wink

delta0

2,355 posts

107 months

Sunday 18th September 2022
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There isn’t the demand to make it feasible at the moment. I’m sure that will change in future.

GT9

6,672 posts

173 months

Sunday 18th September 2022
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swisstoni said:
I know where this thread is going and who’s going to turn up. Maybe I’ve been here too long.
Sorry I’m late, reporting for duty Sir!

GT6k

860 posts

163 months

Sunday 18th September 2022
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And the station at Swindon was closed earlier this year when the Honda plant closed.

Smiljan

10,880 posts

198 months

Sunday 18th September 2022
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Lordbenny said:
After 5 years….and will not replace it!

Oh dear, the three hydrogen car owners will have to drive to either Gatwick or Heathrow now!
Do you have a hydrogen powered car?

GT9

6,672 posts

173 months

Sunday 18th September 2022
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Meanwhile, more smoke and mirrors…

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportat...

Why not just tell us what the actual efficiency is, its not like a number between 1 and 100 uses up a lot of space on a page.

Europa Jon

555 posts

124 months

Monday 19th September 2022
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Fastlane said:
Don't worry, given how much Toyota are spending on hydrogen development, I'm sure that the Mirai owner's will be well looked after (perhaps Toyota UK will back their Mirais and scrap them?)

Edited by Fastlane on Sunday 18th September 09:52
Freudian slip: owner's as in the singular? Made the me smile anyway...

Mikehig

743 posts

62 months

Monday 19th September 2022
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Fusion777 said:
Don't cheer too loudly- this installation and electrolyser were built by ITM Power in Sheffield which looks like quite an exciting company. We should be bigging up UK engineering/design/manufacturing rather than automatically slating new technologies.

We can only have so many influencers, drop shippers and property developers wink
Sad to say, ITM appears to be struggling. Its shares have just taken a hit and the long-standing chief exec is stepping down. Hopefully it will pull through because, as you say, we need new enterprise.

dvs_dave

8,643 posts

226 months

Monday 19th September 2022
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GT9 said:
Meanwhile, more smoke and mirrors…

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportat...

Why not just tell us what the actual efficiency is, its not like a number between 1 and 100 uses up a lot of space on a page.
Bumf in their own sales brochure specs suggests 54-58% cruise efficiency, depending on model.

https://loopenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/Loop-8-p...

So powerplant % efficiency comparison; mid-40’s for a modern diesel, mid-50’s for this FCEV, and mid-80’s for BEV.

What does the efficiency or carbon footprint of this FCEV look like once hydrogen production has been factored in? Still better than diesel? scratchchin

Fusion777

2,236 posts

49 months

Monday 19th September 2022
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Mikehig said:
Sad to say, ITM appears to be struggling. Its shares have just taken a hit and the long-standing chief exec is stepping down. Hopefully it will pull through because, as you say, we need new enterprise.
Problem is, a lot of investors think short term (next quarter/year). You've got to think at least medium term with a business like this. I'd like to think they'd grow significantly over the next few decades, but many just don't want to wait that long.

Mikehig

743 posts

62 months

Monday 19th September 2022
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Fusion777 said:
Problem is, a lot of investors think short term (next quarter/year). You've got to think at least medium term with a business like this. I'd like to think they'd grow significantly over the next few decades, but many just don't want to wait that long.
Quite agree that short-termism is a blight on technical development.
However ITM has been going for two decades and the future looked bright a couple of years ago but now they seem to be in trouble:
https://www.fool.co.uk/2022/09/14/down-26-in-a-day...

In addition one of their major clients/collaborators, Linde of Germany, has decided not to work with them on a massive project in the US.

NMNeil

5,860 posts

51 months

Monday 19th September 2022
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delta0 said:
There isn’t the demand to make it feasible at the moment. I’m sure that will change in future.
I'm open to correction but only Toyota makes and sells a hydrogen powered car, and if you can't buy hydrogen they won't be selling any of those cars. If there are no hydrogen powered cars on the road nobody will invest in building a hydrogen refueling station.
Chicken and egg situation.

Panamax

4,063 posts

35 months

Tuesday 20th September 2022
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Lordbenny said:
Oh dear, the three hydrogen car owners will have to drive to either Gatwick or Heathrow now!
Well, those sound more suitable places for an airship than Cobham services....

GT9

6,672 posts

173 months

Tuesday 20th September 2022
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NMNeil said:
I'm open to correction but only Toyota makes and sells a hydrogen powered car, and if you can't buy hydrogen they won't be selling any of those cars. If there are no hydrogen powered cars on the road nobody will invest in building a hydrogen refueling station.
Chicken and egg situation.
Toyota and Hyundai.
Currently on Autotrader there is a 2017 Toyota Mirai for sale for £29k and a 2019 Hyundai Nexo for £46k.
Those are the only two used fuel cell cars on A/T.
The Mirai is being advertised as 'very rare', maybe the seller is hoping someone will see it as a collector's item...
There is also a new Nexo with 3-year lease being advertised at £1600 a month.

Panamax

4,063 posts

35 months

Tuesday 20th September 2022
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Imagine the future - when Cobham services remove all the fuel pumps and instal electric charging points.

It might be sooner than you think...

NMNeil

5,860 posts

51 months

Wednesday 21st September 2022
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GT9 said:
Toyota and Hyundai.
Currently on Autotrader there is a 2017 Toyota Mirai for sale for £29k and a 2019 Hyundai Nexo for £46k.
Those are the only two used fuel cell cars on A/T.
The Mirai is being advertised as 'very rare', maybe the seller is hoping someone will see it as a collector's item...
There is also a new Nexo with 3-year lease being advertised at £1600 a month.
Thank you, I forgot about Hyundai.
But the sales numbers, or rather lack of, mean that both cars won't be in production for much longer.
https://carsalesbase.com/us-hyundai-nexo/
https://carsalesbase.com/us-toyota-mirai/

tamore

6,990 posts

285 months

Wednesday 21st September 2022
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almost as if hydrogen for personal transport is a busted flush wink