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Grrr, scammed by a police van on a 40mph dual carriageway.
And I get home to the usual site of a load of smacked out addicts waiting for their dealer to 'drive by' outside on my front gates, still as long as the're not speeding thats ok.
Cant wait till the time the police want my help for anything. Unlucky. Wankers
And I get home to the usual site of a load of smacked out addicts waiting for their dealer to 'drive by' outside on my front gates, still as long as the're not speeding thats ok.
Cant wait till the time the police want my help for anything. Unlucky. Wankers
I can barely think of the situation you're describing outside your house. As someone living in a quiet road with families and trees, it sounds awful. But surely such activities are illegal, and you could report the dealers? Surely the police would be interested? Or is there a personal safety concern that would prevent you?
Peter Ward said:
I can barely think of the situation you're describing outside your house. As someone living in a quiet road with families and trees, it sounds awful. But surely such activities are illegal, and you could report the dealers? Surely the police would be interested? Or is there a personal safety concern that would prevent you?
im live behind gates, cctv and 24hr security. i know where they all live and they know that so no i've no concern for my safety. my neighbours are not so lucky. they report them to the police on an almost daily basis. the security dont bother anymore. they just watch it all on cctv! the police dont bother anymore. apparently all the dealers do is swallow it...
Peter Ward said:
As someone living in a quiet road with families and trees...
so do i. our side of the gates at least
>> Edited by francisb on Sunday 14th August 22:22
autismuk said:
To be fair to our BiB, I don't think they are responsible for the idiotic operational decisions of their "managers".
true, but some will become management, hopefully the enlightened ones on these forums, if some arn't already. perhaps when they are in charge the irony of using resources to impose an arbitrary speed limit when the smack dealers crawl around our streets at 10mph wont escape them!
francisb said:
Cant wait till the time the police want my help for anything. Unlucky. Wankers
And who will that affect?
The Police?
No
It might affect someone else though and I suppose you will have exactly the same thought when it is the Police who need information from you about your problem!
That will be a 'yes' then
!gone said:
That will be a 'yes' then
nope
what will get it through to your bosses heads that we want you policing not enforcing a stupid outdated arbitrary number? (which has dubious 'safety' benefits at best)
i know you've heard it a million times "why arn't you out catching real criminals?" - there's a reason for that. its a valid question that never gets answered.
the police are 'only enforcing the law of the land' blah blah blah. except with respect to cannabis or imams preaching race hate, that would be too difficult. 45 in a 40? £60 please. how easy was that?
gone said:
Cant wait till the time the police want my help for anything. Unlucky. Wankers
And who will that affect?
The Police?
No
It might affect someone else though and I suppose you will have exactly the same thought when it is the Police who need information from you about your problem!
That will be a 'yes' then
That may well be the case, gone, but in practice people will simply not behave like that ; the public support and assistance you chaps rely on will simply disappear ; it already is diminishing.
gone said:Yes
Cant wait till the time the police want my help for anything. Unlucky. Wankers
The Police?
No
Michael Todd as Assistant Met Commissioner said:
We do not believe in pursuing speed enforcement for the sake of it as this could alienate members of the public, potential witnesses and future employees
francisb said:
what will get it through to your bosses heads that we want you policing not enforcing a stupid outdated arbitrary number? (which has dubious 'safety' benefits at best)
i know you've heard it a million times "why arn't you out catching real criminals?" - there's a reason for that. its a valid question that never gets answered.
The answer is very simple ; targets and political interference. It isn't actually the fault of the gones of the world.
The Police hierarchy (like the rest of the public sector) have targets they must meet for government PR, and money is tied to those targets.
So like any bureaucracy, their sole aim is to hit the targets (and the associated promotion benefits etc.) by any means necessary, and this usually means cheating. It's a given that all the current governments PR statistics are fabrications.
Above gone's level, the management do not think like BiB. They do not really care about what the Police are actually doing in too many cases, so much as whether they are hitting their targets, and whether the "Media Relations" department can make things look good. It's much easier to try to con people that you are doing a good job with news management, than to actually do one.
This doesn't mean that gone et al aren't working their b*llocks off ; the fault is in the service, not the officers. If you want to know *why* the Police seem to achieve nothing too often, read gone's "What my team did this shift" post and look at their paperwork.
The PR lot will probably have come up with the asinine "Green Wristband" in Nottingham, for example. A perfect (if backfiring) attempt to "show you care" rather than to "do something useful".
This is bog standard for any government run operation.
Health is the same ; that's why (for example) a doctor was ordered to do fourteen bunions rather than a serious complex operation. Or why the exam results and league tables are fiddled (A-Levels out soon, up *again*), or the preponderance of "Administrative Detections" in the Police Force, or Social Services targeting parents with Learning Difficulties, or of course the Scumera Pratnerships.
There's a brilliant local example in Health here ; in our surgeries there is a target for everyone to have an appointment within 48 hours.
This has been "solved" by not allowing anyone to book an appointment more than 48 hours in advance. So if you ring up on a Monday for an appointment on Thursday you can't have it, whatever.
What happens, of course, is that the phone is permanently engaged from first thing in the morning as people try to "get in" to the next 48 hours. If you can't, well tough.
But the target is hit, and Blairy Poppins will not doubt jerk himself off about it at some point.
francisb said:
the police are 'only enforcing the law of the land' blah blah blah. except with respect to cannabis or imams preaching race hate, that would be too difficult. 45 in a 40? £60 please. how easy was that?
That's the other thing ; easy money and soft targets. The target requirement will make people always go for soft targets and easy catches. As long as the figures are right it doesn't matter how they get there.
(I don't know if the Police do what the NHS do, which is as a last resort to simply tell lies about the numbers)
Public Sector Bureaucracy only cares about:
(i) hitting government targets
(ii) personal salary, promotion and pension
(iii) avoiding decision making and responsibility
(iv) passing the buck down the ladder.
(v) looking good without actually achieving anything
(vi) protecting and increasing the budget
(vii) protecting and increasing a personal empire
If you are good at your job, then you do it. If you are a good copper you go out and nick people. If you are a good teacher you teach kids. If you are a good Social Worker you sort out the mess etc etc etc.
What this means, too often, is that you aren't smooching up to people, gerrymandering, chuntering on about ethnic balance, coming up with pretty sounding but useless initiatives that don't work, devising special units, and spending more time making yourself noticed than actually doing anything. Which is a requirement for promotion above a certain level.
Actual ability to do the job, experience and common sense do not help. Most BiB will have a far more sensible approach to the Green Bands than the Chief Constable, but stating what is to almost everyone the obvious will not get them high up the ladder. In fact the obvious response (waste of money and makes us look stupid) will have the opposite effect.
It will continue to be like this for at least as long as New Labour are in charge.
The solution is a bonfire of the quangos and bureaucracy, which will be difficult , because the bureaucracy will always pass on job losses to the front line, so for example if the Education Departments run out of money they sack teachers. This has happened in my Wife's Hospital. The trust is out of money so they are cutting back on Nursing staff and closing hospital beds. The middle management never gets sacked ever.
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