Best 2 driver classic race series

[Edmundo2]

Hi.

I've been pondering doing a bit of racing, ( I was hillclimbing/sprinting ).

I quite fancy some sort of classic series that allows some mods and that is shared drive.

Not sure if Bernies V8s and Outlaws has pitstops but can see CSCC swinging sixties etc does..

I'm also concious that costs could quickly get out of hand on circuits so not in a position to start looking at anything too exotic but any suggestions appreciated.

Thanks, Ed

[NoBrakesWC]

Edmundo2 said:

Hi.

I've been pondering doing a bit of racing, ( I was hillclimbing/sprinting ).

I quite fancy some sort of classic series that allows some mods and that is shared drive.

Not sure if Bernies V8s and Outlaws has pitstops but can see CSCC swinging sixties etc does..

I'm also concious that costs could quickly get out of hand on circuits so not in a position to start looking at anything too exotic but any suggestions appreciated.

Thanks, Ed

I've raced in CSCC modern classics and did it as 2 driver with my dad. 45min race so depending if there is a safety car depends how much actually racing each driver gets.

[Oneball]

Bernie’s V8s at Brands this coming Saturday is 2 drivers. Pop along if you’re down that way.

[Edmundo2]

Thanks both. All sound good although my preference is more sports car than saloons though Bernie V8 saloons appeal. My only concern with Bernies is running costs of a competitive V8..?

I guess TVR is poss the best bet but I do like Yank V8s..

Having sprinted a BEC single seater so.e of the Bike Sports stuff appeals too but I can't see any shared drive options there?

[Jon39]

Edmundo2 said:

I quite fancy some sort of classic series that allows some mods and that is shared drive.

The CTCRC have races for classics.

Format tends to be two races at each meeting, so some cars are shared, with a different driver in each race on either the same day, or more usually, one driver on Saturday and the other driver on Sunday.

[andy97]

I have raced with CSCC for years, variously in Tin Tops, Future Classics and now Magnificent 7s; I was also on the committee for a few years and the Modern classics rep so have been accused of bias in the past!
Anyway, I think that CSCC offer good value for money, great calendar, good driving standards and a very good paddock atmosphere. The meetings are very well organised and the club is competitor focused. Please feel free to PM me if you want to know anything, and I will try to help, or put you in touch with someone that can. I haven’t raced in Swinging Sixties but have a few friends that do - a good mix of cars, all races are 40 min pit stop races and plenty of entries have two drivers with parent and child teams not uncommon.
The cheapest cars to buy and race are probably the Ford Pumas or Mazda RX8s in the Tin Tops series, although that may not meet your “classic aspirations”.
I am a big fan of Caterham 7s and the Magnificent 7s series. I wish I had bought one years ago - proper race cars. The cars are more expensive to buy than Pumas etc but the lower power cars (140 Bhp Sigma engined for eg) are actually very cheap to run, but quick. Again, may not meet your classic requirements.
If you really want a classic to race then I suggest you look at cars that have good spares and knowledge supply available and that usually means minis or MG midgets and Bs for eg., all of which go well in their class.
The Future Classics series is good for things like BMW E30 3 Series, various Ford’s and lots of Porsche 924/944s. I do know of a very good race winning TR7 V8 for sale if you are interested in that.
If I was to race in Modern Classics, I think you can’t go far wrong with a Ginetta G20 - very good value for money and very quick. Another alternative for MC is an Elise or MGF.
You haven’t mentioned a budget!!! So I have deliberately erred on the side of the “value for money cars”. Give us an indication of your era/ marques of interest, and potential purchase budget and I can help a bit more.
Our next race meeting is at Donington on the w/e of Aug 5/6. If you PM me, I may be able to get you a complimentary ticket.

Edited by andy97 on Monday 3rd July 14:46

Edited by andy97 on Monday 3rd July 14:48

[Edmundo2]

andy97 said:

I have raced with CSCC for years, variously in Tin Tops, Future Classics and now Magnificent 7s; I was also on the committee for a few years and the Modern classics rep so have been accused of bias in the past!
Anyway, I think that CSCC offer good value for money, great calendar, good driving standards and a very good paddock atmosphere. The meetings are very well organised and the club is competitor focused. Please feel free to PM me if you want to know anything, and I will try to help, or put you in touch with someone that can. I haven’t raced in Swinging Sixties but have a few friends that do - a good mix of cars, all races are 40 min pit stop races and plenty of entries have two drivers with parent and child teams not uncommon.
The cheapest cars to buy and race are probably the Ford Pumas or Mazda RX8s in the Tin Tops series, although that may not meet your “classic aspirations”.
I am a big fan of Caterham 7s and the Magnificent 7s series. I wish I had bought one years ago - proper race cars. The cars are more expensive to buy than Pumas etc but the lower power cars (140 Bhp Sigma engined for eg) are actually very cheap to run, but quick. Again, may not meet your classic requirements.
If you really want a classic to race then I suggest you look at cars that have good spares and knowledge supply available and that usually means minis or MG midgets and Bs for eg., all of which go well in their class.
The Future Classics series is good for things like BMW E30 3 Series, various Ford’s and lots of Porsche 924/944s. I do know of a very good race winning TR7 V8 for sale if you are interested in that.
If I was to race in Modern Classics, I think you can’t go far wrong with a Ginetta G20 - very good value for money and very quick. Another alternative for MC is an Elise or MGF.
You haven’t mentioned a budget!!! So I have deliberately erred on the side of the “value for money cars”. Give us an indication of your era/ marques of interest, and potential purchase budget and I can help a bit more.
Our next race meeting is at Donington on the w/e of Aug 5/6. If you PM me, I may be able to get you a complimentary ticket.

Edited by andy97 on Monday 3rd July 14:46

Edited by andy97 on Monday 3rd July 14:48

Hi Andy. Thanks for the detailed response..

I agree with everything you've said there. I've just recently sold a 7 so can appreciate the comments. It's a consideration for sure but I think my mate is eering more towards tin top so I think a closed wheel sports car might be as close to a 7 as we get.

If the TR7 V8 you mention is the red one on minilites running a J.E engine then yes that has caught my eye. However I guess if we look at that then TVRs are in the frame too so will need to consider the championships and which is better/how far up the BHP ladder we want to go..

Not sure yet on budget but I'm quite concious of not going to big too soon and I absolutely get what you say re choosing a car with plentiful parts supply.

It really is early days at the moment. I loved my Force single seater on the hills sprints as it was 600+ bhp per ton and incredibly agile and gave a real buzz when properly on it. However I've never raced against other cars, ( apart from karting ), and my mate is currently racing in a one make tin top championship and he's really enjoying the close racing which I'm sure is a different buzz.

Ultimately I think a strong but light rear drive car with a nice engine that feels like a racing car is what I'm after. If looking at one make stuff that could be a boxster but I do like variety so a modsports or V8 of some sort in a well subscribed classic series could fit the bill.

I've seen an Elan 26R project but concious it could get very pricey especially if it was in a shunt..

At the same time I'm looking at Hillman Imps one minute and Radicals the next!

As you can tell we really are quite open minded at this stage but I appreciate you help and confirmation that the series we were looking at will tick the boxes

Thanks and I may be in touch if we manage to narrow our plans down to a clear target.

Ed

[andy97]

Yes the TR7 V8 is the red one on racecarsdirect.
The owner is a mate of mine and has had the car a long time but has bought a TVR Tuscan.
The TR is a very good, race winning car. Definitely worth a look. The car is very near Donington Park (we all live in Castle Donington).
Eligible for Future Classics, CSCC Modsports and Special Saloons and Bernie’s V8s so pretty versatile on places to race it, although I would always favour the CSCC 2-driver races.

[Edmundo2]

andy97 said:

Yes the TR7 V8 is the red one on racecarsdirect.
The owner is a mate of mine and has had the car a long time but has bought a TVR Tuscan.
The TR is a very good, race winning car. Definitely worth a look. The car is very near Donington Park (we all live in Castle Donington).
Eligible for Future Classics, CSCC Modsports and Special Saloons and Bernie’s V8s so pretty versatile on places to race it, although I would always favour the CSCC 2-driver races.

Great thanks Andy. I'll discuss and come back to you if its of interest but I think its something along those lines that might be the best option.

Cheers

[freedman]

What about the CALM Porsche series?

Class options, and the cars are quick and reliable, eligible for plenty of other series too. They have 40 & 60 minute races with a pit stop

They run in conjunction with Bernie’s V8s sometime, like at Brands last week, and also at the Birkett 6 hours

https://allporschetrophy.co.uk/

Ashgoods have cars for hire race to race basis if you want to dip your toe

Edited by freedman on Saturday 15th July 09:41

[Edmundo2]

Thanks for all the info but think I might be now going solo so will start new threads..Cheers