996 GT3 For sale in classifieds - GT03TDT
Discussion
GT4RS said:
By the way the advert is worded the owners is basically making out its factory perfect ?
Indeed. But depends on what the problem is. Has it had body repairs? Or has it just been flogged hard around tracks for nearly 60K?Edited by Discombobulate on Saturday 6th January 16:28
We have a GT3 avoidance thread in here, why isn’t it in it?
I’m not having a pop at the OP but cloak and daggers around a cars history is a bit off in my book, how do we know they don’t have some axe to grind?
If it’s had an off, the engine buzzed or even if it’s spent it’s whole life on track like a lot do where is the harm in telling us?
I’m not having a pop at the OP but cloak and daggers around a cars history is a bit off in my book, how do we know they don’t have some axe to grind?
If it’s had an off, the engine buzzed or even if it’s spent it’s whole life on track like a lot do where is the harm in telling us?
No cloak and daggers at all, and certainly no grievance, hence the original post offering to explain more to anyone interested in it. I also want to play things straight and am not sure on the PH rules around this type of thing. I did think of the GT avoidance thread but have been out all day and haven’t got around to it.
Anyway, here’s a summary of its history:
The Good:
Originally a standard mkII comfort with factory Recaro buckets.
Porsche techquipment cage fitted for me by JZM
Full KW clubsport v3 suspension also fitted at JZM
Kline inconel full exhaust (very cool)
Giro disks and pagid yellows all round
Meticulous service history throughout my ownership by JZM then latterly Nine Excellence
It was a very fast and well sorted car
The Less Good:
It has replacement near side front and rear quarter panels courtesy of an over enthusiastic track session. The damage was never recorded. It was professionally repaired by Northway Porsche (in fact it was on their website for years as an example of their workshop/body shop skills). To be fair the quality of work was excellent and at first glance nothing looked amiss, but on closer inspection the repair work is clear - for example exactly replicating the factory welding is almost impossible.
Then when I waved goodbye to it in 2020 it was in need of some serious engine work (potentially a full rebuild). Once again this was the result of a track incident, this time at Silverstone - it turns out that 996 gt3’s don’t really like going off backwards at 90mph with 3rd gear engaged!
Anyway I hope that clears things up. I have no idea if the engine is now good or not (it could well be) and it was an utterly fantastic car over 7 years before the Silverstone incident. I didn’t care about the early panel damage and it certainly didn’t make the car look any less awesome or slower on track, but a pristine original factory example it is not.
Anyway, here’s a summary of its history:
The Good:
Originally a standard mkII comfort with factory Recaro buckets.
Porsche techquipment cage fitted for me by JZM
Full KW clubsport v3 suspension also fitted at JZM
Kline inconel full exhaust (very cool)
Giro disks and pagid yellows all round
Meticulous service history throughout my ownership by JZM then latterly Nine Excellence
It was a very fast and well sorted car
The Less Good:
It has replacement near side front and rear quarter panels courtesy of an over enthusiastic track session. The damage was never recorded. It was professionally repaired by Northway Porsche (in fact it was on their website for years as an example of their workshop/body shop skills). To be fair the quality of work was excellent and at first glance nothing looked amiss, but on closer inspection the repair work is clear - for example exactly replicating the factory welding is almost impossible.
Then when I waved goodbye to it in 2020 it was in need of some serious engine work (potentially a full rebuild). Once again this was the result of a track incident, this time at Silverstone - it turns out that 996 gt3’s don’t really like going off backwards at 90mph with 3rd gear engaged!
Anyway I hope that clears things up. I have no idea if the engine is now good or not (it could well be) and it was an utterly fantastic car over 7 years before the Silverstone incident. I didn’t care about the early panel damage and it certainly didn’t make the car look any less awesome or slower on track, but a pristine original factory example it is not.
siheb said:
No cloak and daggers at all, and certainly no grievance, hence the original post offering to explain more to anyone interested in it. I also want to play things straight and am not sure on the PH rules around this type of thing. I did think of the GT avoidance thread but have been out all day and haven’t got around to it.
Anyway, here’s a summary of its history:
The Good:
Originally a standard mkII comfort with factory Recaro buckets.
Porsche techquipment cage fitted for me by JZM
Full KW clubsport v3 suspension also fitted at JZM
Kline inconel full exhaust (very cool)
Giro disks and pagid yellows all round
Meticulous service history throughout my ownership by JZM then latterly Nine Excellence
It was a very fast and well sorted car
The Less Good:
It has replacement near side front and rear quarter panels courtesy of an over enthusiastic track session. The damage was never recorded. It was professionally repaired by Northway Porsche (in fact it was on their website for years as an example of their workshop/body shop skills). To be fair the quality of work was excellent and at first glance nothing looked amiss, but on closer inspection the repair work is clear - for example exactly replicating the factory welding is almost impossible.
Then when I waved goodbye to it in 2020 it was in need of some serious engine work (potentially a full rebuild). Once again this was the result of a track incident, this time at Silverstone - it turns out that 996 gt3’s don’t really like going off backwards at 90mph with 3rd gear engaged!
Anyway I hope that clears things up. I have no idea if the engine is now good or not (it could well be) and it was an utterly fantastic car over 7 years before the Silverstone incident. I didn’t care about the early panel damage and it certainly didn’t make the car look any less awesome or slower on track, but a pristine original factory example it is not.
I guess that's fair enough if true (not having a pop OP, but it's just words on the internet). It certainly adds some colour to anyone looking at the advert, which if I'm honest I'd struck off my list as it reads particularly badly from my point of view. The seller doesn't sound like someone I'd want to deal with.Anyway, here’s a summary of its history:
The Good:
Originally a standard mkII comfort with factory Recaro buckets.
Porsche techquipment cage fitted for me by JZM
Full KW clubsport v3 suspension also fitted at JZM
Kline inconel full exhaust (very cool)
Giro disks and pagid yellows all round
Meticulous service history throughout my ownership by JZM then latterly Nine Excellence
It was a very fast and well sorted car
The Less Good:
It has replacement near side front and rear quarter panels courtesy of an over enthusiastic track session. The damage was never recorded. It was professionally repaired by Northway Porsche (in fact it was on their website for years as an example of their workshop/body shop skills). To be fair the quality of work was excellent and at first glance nothing looked amiss, but on closer inspection the repair work is clear - for example exactly replicating the factory welding is almost impossible.
Then when I waved goodbye to it in 2020 it was in need of some serious engine work (potentially a full rebuild). Once again this was the result of a track incident, this time at Silverstone - it turns out that 996 gt3’s don’t really like going off backwards at 90mph with 3rd gear engaged!
Anyway I hope that clears things up. I have no idea if the engine is now good or not (it could well be) and it was an utterly fantastic car over 7 years before the Silverstone incident. I didn’t care about the early panel damage and it certainly didn’t make the car look any less awesome or slower on track, but a pristine original factory example it is not.
The panel damage doesn't mean anything to me, there's really nothing wrong with it until you proclaim it not to have happened which to be fair to the seller we don't know if he's aware of. Two of the cars I've recently viewed have had replacement panels, both have no insurance markers so it's really only your nouse or the sellers honesty that explains it. In my case, both sellers pointed it out before viewing.
The engine woes are very much more concerning, looking at the MOT history it seems to have done only a couple of hundred miles since the OP sold it and virtually a dozen in the last couple of years. Questions need to be asked.
siheb said:
I have noticed that this is currently for sale in the PH classifieds.
For anyone thinking about buying it please feel free to dm me for a bit more info.
I owned it for 7 great years - it was a very well known car around the tracks of U.K. and Europe - then I sold it to WBAC in 2020…
This one?For anyone thinking about buying it please feel free to dm me for a bit more info.
I owned it for 7 great years - it was a very well known car around the tracks of U.K. and Europe - then I sold it to WBAC in 2020…
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/16028542
siheb said:
Mate, you’re not being fair in talking this car down. You’re obviously butt hurt because you probably took a huge hit selling it to WBAC, but that’s no reason to talk the car down. It’s not good karma to take food off someone’s table when it’s got nothing to do with you.Take a chill pill and move on.
Tend to agree, with this ^
Ok, so it’s not a garage queen/investment car, but a replacement front wing and rear quarter won’t impact any future owner from enjoying driving it on road or track.
If you’re thinking of spending this sort of money on a 996 GT3, a really good PPi by one of the usual suspects is imperative.
Ask for a full appraisal of the bodywork (specifically the quality of the repairs and panel replacement) and also pay for a leak down test along with a compression test to establish if there’s anything nasty lurking in the valve train, pistons and rings. Once you have the results, they can be discussed with the company who carried out the tests, or the likes of Mike at Classic and Sports or Matt at Fearnsport.
Having done all the above, you can then decide if the asking price is reasonable, and the car suits your needs.
Don’t forget plenty of these cars have been involved in road or trackday accidents, so it’s not a shock to find one with previous accident damage, or indeed an engine with overevs.
Ray at Northway is as transparent as they come, if you have any doubts about the bodywork repairs, call him and discuss it with him, he’s very down to earth.
Ok, so it’s not a garage queen/investment car, but a replacement front wing and rear quarter won’t impact any future owner from enjoying driving it on road or track.
If you’re thinking of spending this sort of money on a 996 GT3, a really good PPi by one of the usual suspects is imperative.
Ask for a full appraisal of the bodywork (specifically the quality of the repairs and panel replacement) and also pay for a leak down test along with a compression test to establish if there’s anything nasty lurking in the valve train, pistons and rings. Once you have the results, they can be discussed with the company who carried out the tests, or the likes of Mike at Classic and Sports or Matt at Fearnsport.
Having done all the above, you can then decide if the asking price is reasonable, and the car suits your needs.
Don’t forget plenty of these cars have been involved in road or trackday accidents, so it’s not a shock to find one with previous accident damage, or indeed an engine with overevs.
Ray at Northway is as transparent as they come, if you have any doubts about the bodywork repairs, call him and discuss it with him, he’s very down to earth.
To be fair, Most 6 Gt3’s were tracked and almost all of them will have gone backwards at high speed. If there’s damage it either won’t run straight away - which is an easy fix, or - in the extremely unlikely event of internal damage - which I have never heard of as a result of a spin - a leak down test will tell you all you need to know.
6 GT3’s with no previous damage or height track use/ spins are rare beasts indeed. Wouldn’t bother me. The engine wear on a track day Metzger compared to a raced one is Absolutely minimal. As long as there are not multiple RR2 recordings and the leak test is good, there won’t be a problem
6 GT3’s with no previous damage or height track use/ spins are rare beasts indeed. Wouldn’t bother me. The engine wear on a track day Metzger compared to a raced one is Absolutely minimal. As long as there are not multiple RR2 recordings and the leak test is good, there won’t be a problem
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