Scan of Porsche 964
Discussion
Hi all I know this is a weird thing but me and my friend are planning a project to make a carbon tub and steel space frame front and rear 964 with carbon panels and some small changes to the aero on it
There are already 3D models online to buy but I can’t be sure wether they were scanned off of an actual 964 for dimensions
Would anyone know of a good dimensionally accurate 3D scan or have a car that we could come and scan to start this project off
As if we are building a full chassis for it it doesn’t make sense to buy the car and cut up a perfectly good classic car
Kind regards
J
There are already 3D models online to buy but I can’t be sure wether they were scanned off of an actual 964 for dimensions
Would anyone know of a good dimensionally accurate 3D scan or have a car that we could come and scan to start this project off
As if we are building a full chassis for it it doesn’t make sense to buy the car and cut up a perfectly good classic car
Kind regards
J
Very cool project and right up my street too....
I have a 964 you could scan, it's a stock roller with over 200kgs stripped out so bare bones, ideal for scanning
Can also help advise if you need it with your carbon tub project
Have over 30yrs experience of carbon road car and world championship sports/single seater race car composite design, engineering, project management and manufacturing experience
Chassis, aeroelastic aero stuff, bodywork, wings, floors, diffusers, engine bits, aero bits, suspension wishbones, gearbox cases, steering wheel, seats, oil tanks, brake ducts, HV battery cases etc etc
But always wanted to do a lightweight 964 with oodles of carbon loveliness
First question, are your really, really sure you want to do this as it's a monster, expensive project you're getting yourselves into
I have a 964 you could scan, it's a stock roller with over 200kgs stripped out so bare bones, ideal for scanning
Can also help advise if you need it with your carbon tub project
Have over 30yrs experience of carbon road car and world championship sports/single seater race car composite design, engineering, project management and manufacturing experience
Chassis, aeroelastic aero stuff, bodywork, wings, floors, diffusers, engine bits, aero bits, suspension wishbones, gearbox cases, steering wheel, seats, oil tanks, brake ducts, HV battery cases etc etc
But always wanted to do a lightweight 964 with oodles of carbon loveliness
First question, are your really, really sure you want to do this as it's a monster, expensive project you're getting yourselves into
Wow that’s fantastic when I came up with the project I initially thought of scaling up a 1:18 model but with that any imperfections in the scan would scale with it and I couldn’t be able to get any interior surfaces and wheel wells
We are definitely in for the design aspect of the project and after that we will assess costs of the whole project and look at its feasibility
Where about are you roughly from
Many thanks
J
We are definitely in for the design aspect of the project and after that we will assess costs of the whole project and look at its feasibility
Where about are you roughly from
Many thanks
J
marine boy said:
Very cool project and right up my street too....
I have a 964 you could scan, it's a stock roller with over 200kgs stripped out so bare bones, ideal for scanning
Can also help advise if you need it with your carbon tub project
Have over 30yrs experience of carbon road car and world championship sports/single seater race car composite design, engineering, project management and manufacturing experience
Chassis, aeroelastic aero stuff, bodywork, wings, floors, diffusers, engine bits, aero bits, suspension wishbones, gearbox cases, steering wheel, seats, oil tanks, brake ducts, HV battery cases etc etc
But always wanted to do a lightweight 964 with oodles of carbon loveliness
First question, are your really, really sure you want to do this as it's a monster, expensive project you're getting yourselves into
I have a 964 you could scan, it's a stock roller with over 200kgs stripped out so bare bones, ideal for scanning
Can also help advise if you need it with your carbon tub project
Have over 30yrs experience of carbon road car and world championship sports/single seater race car composite design, engineering, project management and manufacturing experience
Chassis, aeroelastic aero stuff, bodywork, wings, floors, diffusers, engine bits, aero bits, suspension wishbones, gearbox cases, steering wheel, seats, oil tanks, brake ducts, HV battery cases etc etc
But always wanted to do a lightweight 964 with oodles of carbon loveliness
First question, are your really, really sure you want to do this as it's a monster, expensive project you're getting yourselves into
As a design exercise and engineering learning experience it sounds like a fantastic project
As a value for money project, save yourselves a fortune, ask RUF to build you one of their new carbon tub 964 CTR's to your ultimate spec.
Years ago I started designing a 917 inspired stock looking pre-73 911 fast road car. Full tubular steel space frame with mid-nounted engine etc All hidden from the outside under a stock looking full carbon bodyshell.
My vision was to build a discrete classic 911 shaped 917/Moby Dick 935 for the road
Even bought a rolling car, eventually had a word with myself and decided it wasn't one of my best ideas for spending money I hadn't got
I'm in North Oxfordshire and car is in North Herefordshire
Can I ask, what is you and your friends design/engineering automotive skill level/experience?
Are you guys, enthuisastic, newbie young un's or battle, hardened ninja, expert, warrior's or somewhere in the middle?
As a value for money project, save yourselves a fortune, ask RUF to build you one of their new carbon tub 964 CTR's to your ultimate spec.
Years ago I started designing a 917 inspired stock looking pre-73 911 fast road car. Full tubular steel space frame with mid-nounted engine etc All hidden from the outside under a stock looking full carbon bodyshell.
My vision was to build a discrete classic 911 shaped 917/Moby Dick 935 for the road
Even bought a rolling car, eventually had a word with myself and decided it wasn't one of my best ideas for spending money I hadn't got
I'm in North Oxfordshire and car is in North Herefordshire
Can I ask, what is you and your friends design/engineering automotive skill level/experience?
Are you guys, enthuisastic, newbie young un's or battle, hardened ninja, expert, warrior's or somewhere in the middle?
We are both young but doing well we have a small amount of experience working on cars I have experience with steel frame construction and my friend designs aircraft in a job where he can’t tell you what he does but he says a carbon tub would be “fun to design” we don’t have much experience working with carbon itself
I am a plumber by trade but have done most jobs that include manual labour from full house refurbishments to steel frame work and also a couple fine joinery type projects custom dining table and chair set and bedside tables an a wardrobe
So I learn quickly and and can turn my hand to lots of stuff
As far as mechanical goes I have my experience fixing my van I have done bearings and exhausts dpfs ect and restored an old land rover before but I had help from my mechanic mates with the engine and boxes on that one and my friend has a similar experience to me on his cars but I also have 3 other mates who are mechanics by trade 1 of which is heavy diesel but they aren’t interested in the design of the project they are more just into the tinkering on the “second fix”
So as far as it goes we have a good amount of experience between us but the project would be a lovely learning curve
But I would call us enthusiastic younguns with a splash of experience in lots of different fields
I am a plumber by trade but have done most jobs that include manual labour from full house refurbishments to steel frame work and also a couple fine joinery type projects custom dining table and chair set and bedside tables an a wardrobe
So I learn quickly and and can turn my hand to lots of stuff
As far as mechanical goes I have my experience fixing my van I have done bearings and exhausts dpfs ect and restored an old land rover before but I had help from my mechanic mates with the engine and boxes on that one and my friend has a similar experience to me on his cars but I also have 3 other mates who are mechanics by trade 1 of which is heavy diesel but they aren’t interested in the design of the project they are more just into the tinkering on the “second fix”
So as far as it goes we have a good amount of experience between us but the project would be a lovely learning curve
But I would call us enthusiastic younguns with a splash of experience in lots of different fields
marine boy said:
As a design exercise and engineering learning experience it sounds like a fantastic project
As a value for money project, save yourselves a fortune, ask RUF to build you one of their new carbon tub 964 CTR's to your ultimate spec.
Years ago I started designing a 917 inspired stock looking pre-73 911 fast road car. Full tubular steel space frame with mid-nounted engine etc All hidden from the outside under a stock looking full carbon bodyshell.
My vision was to build a discrete classic 911 shaped 917/Moby Dick 935 for the road
Even bought a rolling car, eventually had a word with myself and decided it wasn't one of my best ideas for spending money I hadn't got
I'm in North Oxfordshire and car is in North Herefordshire
Can I ask, what is you and your friends design/engineering automotive skill level/experience?
Are you guys, enthuisastic, newbie young un's or battle, hardened ninja, expert, warrior's or somewhere in the middle?
As a value for money project, save yourselves a fortune, ask RUF to build you one of their new carbon tub 964 CTR's to your ultimate spec.
Years ago I started designing a 917 inspired stock looking pre-73 911 fast road car. Full tubular steel space frame with mid-nounted engine etc All hidden from the outside under a stock looking full carbon bodyshell.
My vision was to build a discrete classic 911 shaped 917/Moby Dick 935 for the road
Even bought a rolling car, eventually had a word with myself and decided it wasn't one of my best ideas for spending money I hadn't got
I'm in North Oxfordshire and car is in North Herefordshire
Can I ask, what is you and your friends design/engineering automotive skill level/experience?
Are you guys, enthuisastic, newbie young un's or battle, hardened ninja, expert, warrior's or somewhere in the middle?
Excellent, sounds like you have a good, solid skills base between everyone
You'll smash it, no problem!
You're friend is right, a carbon tub would be good fun to design and give you as steep a learning curve as you could possibly ever want
For a starting point, have a look at the RUF carbon tub, really neat bit of composite design, Dallara also do very good carbon tubs for the Alfa Romeo 4C and their own Stradale
Don't bother looking at the Singer DLS as that is a not best ever example, fantastic looking car, amazing engine, extremely good aero design but IMHO very weak on the composite design/engineering
McLaren do very good carbon road car tubs but also look for inspiration with what Lotus did with the Elise
Top tip, keep the carbon tub simple, like Ladybird Book 1A design simple, never lose focus on this and drive all the complexity into the bolt on metallic parts.
If you don't it will create its own complexity, for sure run away from you, resulting in a complicated, unbuildable mess
You'll smash it, no problem!
You're friend is right, a carbon tub would be good fun to design and give you as steep a learning curve as you could possibly ever want
For a starting point, have a look at the RUF carbon tub, really neat bit of composite design, Dallara also do very good carbon tubs for the Alfa Romeo 4C and their own Stradale
Don't bother looking at the Singer DLS as that is a not best ever example, fantastic looking car, amazing engine, extremely good aero design but IMHO very weak on the composite design/engineering
McLaren do very good carbon road car tubs but also look for inspiration with what Lotus did with the Elise
Top tip, keep the carbon tub simple, like Ladybird Book 1A design simple, never lose focus on this and drive all the complexity into the bolt on metallic parts.
If you don't it will create its own complexity, for sure run away from you, resulting in a complicated, unbuildable mess
Thanks for the advice for the tub I will pass that on to my friend as for the scanning of the car would you be able to dm me a way to contact you outside of the forum to arrange a day ( if you are still ok with letting us use the car as the base for our design)
Thanks
J
Thanks
J
marine boy said:
Excellent, sounds like you have a good, solid skills base between everyone
You'll smash it, no problem!
You're friend is right, a carbon tub would be good fun to design and give you as steep a learning curve as you could possibly ever want
For a starting point, have a look at the RUF carbon tub, really neat bit of composite design, Dallara also do very good carbon tubs for the Alfa Romeo 4C and their own Stradale
Don't bother looking at the Singer DLS as that is a not best ever example, fantastic looking car, amazing engine, extremely good aero design but IMHO very weak on the composite design/engineering
McLaren do very good carbon road car tubs but also look for inspiration with what Lotus did with the Elise
Top tip, keep the carbon tub simple, like Ladybird Book 1A design simple, never lose focus on this and drive all the complexity into the bolt on metallic parts.
If you don't it will create its own complexity, for sure run away from you, resulting in a complicated, unbuildable mess
You'll smash it, no problem!
You're friend is right, a carbon tub would be good fun to design and give you as steep a learning curve as you could possibly ever want
For a starting point, have a look at the RUF carbon tub, really neat bit of composite design, Dallara also do very good carbon tubs for the Alfa Romeo 4C and their own Stradale
Don't bother looking at the Singer DLS as that is a not best ever example, fantastic looking car, amazing engine, extremely good aero design but IMHO very weak on the composite design/engineering
McLaren do very good carbon road car tubs but also look for inspiration with what Lotus did with the Elise
Top tip, keep the carbon tub simple, like Ladybird Book 1A design simple, never lose focus on this and drive all the complexity into the bolt on metallic parts.
If you don't it will create its own complexity, for sure run away from you, resulting in a complicated, unbuildable mess
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