Register and insure a kit car without being a resident
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Hello!
Im in the final steps of building my kit car (Built from 0)
Im from Spain and here it will be very difficult to register.
So my plan is to go to the UK and get it IVA tested and registered.
The problem is that I dont know if I can do this without being an UK resident.
I have a friend there, I can talk with him so he can register it on his name and then when its registered change it to my name and keep it with uk plates (I dont have any problem to go there to get the MOT done every year).
Is this possible?
Thanks.
Im in the final steps of building my kit car (Built from 0)
Im from Spain and here it will be very difficult to register.
So my plan is to go to the UK and get it IVA tested and registered.
The problem is that I dont know if I can do this without being an UK resident.
I have a friend there, I can talk with him so he can register it on his name and then when its registered change it to my name and keep it with uk plates (I dont have any problem to go there to get the MOT done every year).
Is this possible?
Thanks.
Hi
I'm not sure about that. You will have to insure the car in the UK. So will only have 90 days insurance cover abroad (?). And the UK making the crazy decision to keep annual mot tests means returning a very year, not every other year.
Why not register it in in Spain - is it just yyhe v cost. In France it's around 2,000 - 3,000 euros. That's probably better than going to the UK.
Good luck.
I'm not sure about that. You will have to insure the car in the UK. So will only have 90 days insurance cover abroad (?). And the UK making the crazy decision to keep annual mot tests means returning a very year, not every other year.
Why not register it in in Spain - is it just yyhe v cost. In France it's around 2,000 - 3,000 euros. That's probably better than going to the UK.
Good luck.
Kevp said:
Hi
I'm not sure about that. You will have to insure the car in the UK. So will only have 90 days insurance cover abroad (?). And the UK making the crazy decision to keep annual mot tests means returning a very year, not every other year.
Why not register it in in Spain - is it just yyhe v cost. In France it's around 2,000 - 3,000 euros. That's probably better than going to the UK.
Good luck.
Hello, its impossible to register it here.I'm not sure about that. You will have to insure the car in the UK. So will only have 90 days insurance cover abroad (?). And the UK making the crazy decision to keep annual mot tests means returning a very year, not every other year.
Why not register it in in Spain - is it just yyhe v cost. In France it's around 2,000 - 3,000 euros. That's probably better than going to the UK.
Good luck.
calita25 said:
Hello, its impossible to register it here.
Whatttttt ..... OK your remark may have been in error. You can make a car and register it in any EU country.
The UK has kept the EU regulations regarding cars. However as the UK is not in the EU you (one) cannot automatically register it in another EU country without undergoing the IVA inspection.
Here is the link to the French government website.
https://www.ecologie.gouv.fr/homologation-des-vehi...
Let me know if you want more information.
Kev
Kevp said:
Whatttttt .....
OK your remark may have been in error. You can make a car and register it in any EU country.
The UK has kept the EU regulations regarding cars. However as the UK is not in the EU you (one) cannot automatically register it in another EU country without undergoing the IVA inspection.
Here is the link to the French government website.
https://www.ecologie.gouv.fr/homologation-des-vehi...
Let me know if you want more information.
Kev
Yes, in Spain its impossible, no matters what you do, I have been informed by the authorities, ITV, engineers ... You cant even cut the original body lines of a car. I have been informed that the same happens in Portugal and Poland. In Poland you need to register the car in the UK first and then re register it in Poland, there's a post in this forum about this. Not sure about France or Germany but I think its the same. In Spain you can only register a home made car / kit car if its over 30 years old, then you can import it as a classic.OK your remark may have been in error. You can make a car and register it in any EU country.
The UK has kept the EU regulations regarding cars. However as the UK is not in the EU you (one) cannot automatically register it in another EU country without undergoing the IVA inspection.
Here is the link to the French government website.
https://www.ecologie.gouv.fr/homologation-des-vehi...
Let me know if you want more information.
Kev
Targa Italia said:
Hi, common problem unfortunately. It can be registered in Italy, and either transferred inter EU to Spain, or leave it on the Italian plates and drive it in Spain. There is a legal mechanism for this, slightly complex but do-able.
That would be very interesting, can you help me with the registration there? Thanks.Here is a copy of the latest Spanish IVA legislation -
Looks to my like anyone can build a car and register it in spain.
Just needs to pass the same tests as anywhere else in the EU.
CAPÍTULO IX
HOMOLOGACIONES DE VEHÍCULO INDIVIDUAL
Artículo 44
Homologaciones de vehículo individual UE
1. Los Estados miembros concederán la homologación de vehículo individual UE a los vehículos que cumplan los
requisitos del anexo II, parte I, apéndice 2, o, en el caso de vehículos especiales, del anexo II, parte III.
Here is a quick link I found from a spanish company. Dont know if it helps.
https://tutuning.net/homologacion-unitaria-lo-nece...
Good Luck
Looks to my like anyone can build a car and register it in spain.
Just needs to pass the same tests as anywhere else in the EU.
CAPÍTULO IX
HOMOLOGACIONES DE VEHÍCULO INDIVIDUAL
Artículo 44
Homologaciones de vehículo individual UE
1. Los Estados miembros concederán la homologación de vehículo individual UE a los vehículos que cumplan los
requisitos del anexo II, parte I, apéndice 2, o, en el caso de vehículos especiales, del anexo II, parte III.
Here is a quick link I found from a spanish company. Dont know if it helps.
https://tutuning.net/homologacion-unitaria-lo-nece...
Good Luck
Kevp said:
Here is a copy of the latest Spanish IVA legislation -
Looks to my like anyone can build a car and register it in spain.
Just needs to pass the same tests as anywhere else in the EU.
CAPÍTULO IX
HOMOLOGACIONES DE VEHÍCULO INDIVIDUAL
Artículo 44
Homologaciones de vehículo individual UE
1. Los Estados miembros concederán la homologación de vehículo individual UE a los vehículos que cumplan los
requisitos del anexo II, parte I, apéndice 2, o, en el caso de vehículos especiales, del anexo II, parte III.
Here is a quick link I found from a spanish company. Dont know if it helps.
https://tutuning.net/homologacion-unitaria-lo-nece...
Good Luck
You cant. I have been looking into this for years, its Impossible. The only way to register a new replica or kit car in Spain is by doing a residency change, thats what people usually do, stay in the UK for one year and get the residency and then reimport it to Spain as a residency change, but now with the Brexit thats very difficult. Looks to my like anyone can build a car and register it in spain.
Just needs to pass the same tests as anywhere else in the EU.
CAPÍTULO IX
HOMOLOGACIONES DE VEHÍCULO INDIVIDUAL
Artículo 44
Homologaciones de vehículo individual UE
1. Los Estados miembros concederán la homologación de vehículo individual UE a los vehículos que cumplan los
requisitos del anexo II, parte I, apéndice 2, o, en el caso de vehículos especiales, del anexo II, parte III.
Here is a quick link I found from a spanish company. Dont know if it helps.
https://tutuning.net/homologacion-unitaria-lo-nece...
Good Luck
The "homologacion unitaria" is an homologation that people do for vehicles that dont come from the UE (American cars for example) or are modified but you cant import any vehicle that have a custom chassis, or modified chassis, custom exhaust ... You cant even import a car with a non original hood. All modifications needs to have European homologation type E1.
The only way to import a kit car to Spain is to import as a historic vehicle (the car need to have +30 years and being correctly registered) or doing a residency change.
OK. I hope you manage to get a solution.
I live in France and was told the same story by everyone - "no, not possible".
Nobody here would help. The prefecture of the department, the local registration bodies, they all said it was impossible.
Then I managed to get a contact for DREAL. The guy came to my house. He loved the car, took loads of photos, had a good chat. A week later he sent me an email "amature built cars can not be built in and registered in France". It could be registered in any other EU country 1st, then changed to France (I guess thats what you are trying to do, but to Spain). So I said fine, I will start a car manufacturing company here, that would make it professional not amature.
So I rolled my sleaves up to set about this and stumbled upon the french legislation that I listed previously - "anyone can make a car and register it in france". I sent this information to my DREAL contact. He then came back to me with the information needed to continue and register a kit car in France.
For your information - available in most languages.
Regulation (EU) 2018/858 of the European Parliament
Article 44 for IVA
I agree that the UK is the easiest and cheapest way. But you are then stuck with a UK car. I dont know the limitations of using the car abroad.
I live in France and was told the same story by everyone - "no, not possible".
Nobody here would help. The prefecture of the department, the local registration bodies, they all said it was impossible.
Then I managed to get a contact for DREAL. The guy came to my house. He loved the car, took loads of photos, had a good chat. A week later he sent me an email "amature built cars can not be built in and registered in France". It could be registered in any other EU country 1st, then changed to France (I guess thats what you are trying to do, but to Spain). So I said fine, I will start a car manufacturing company here, that would make it professional not amature.
So I rolled my sleaves up to set about this and stumbled upon the french legislation that I listed previously - "anyone can make a car and register it in france". I sent this information to my DREAL contact. He then came back to me with the information needed to continue and register a kit car in France.
For your information - available in most languages.
Regulation (EU) 2018/858 of the European Parliament
Article 44 for IVA
I agree that the UK is the easiest and cheapest way. But you are then stuck with a UK car. I dont know the limitations of using the car abroad.
As Kevp says, there is a process to do this, allegedly EU wide. The issue is implementation, at both national, and more importantly, local level. As with all things, generally it's easier to justify no, than an unusual yes.
Well done for getting in the weeds with it, very few get that far, and even when they do, have limited success.
Italy has the "Nope, not made by Fiat/Audi/Alfa/Mercedes" etc, but in reality are more pragmatic, and enthusiasts not as few and far between in the various ministries, so its a little easier than most, then its just navigating the arcane "process"!
Italy, equal parts Utopia, and hell!
Well done for getting in the weeds with it, very few get that far, and even when they do, have limited success.
Italy has the "Nope, not made by Fiat/Audi/Alfa/Mercedes" etc, but in reality are more pragmatic, and enthusiasts not as few and far between in the various ministries, so its a little easier than most, then its just navigating the arcane "process"!
Italy, equal parts Utopia, and hell!
Hi everyone,
As you know I’m from Poland and I’m not an UK resident
I will describe to you step by step how I registered my KOZMO in Poland.
1. I built the car in Poland.
2. I sent to DVLA the IVA test application in my name from my cousin's UK address (the same address I gave in the application)
3. From Poland I made a phone appointment with the DVLA for a test date
4. I transported the car to the UK for the test - I didn’t pay the 17% UK import duty and 20% VAT (?) because Kozmo was already in the UK before brexit in 2017 and DVLA assigned to me a VIN number in 2018.
5. I passed the IVA test with no problems - the car is a left hand drive but for the test had RHD headlights fitted and swapped reverse and rear fog lights in place
6. After passing the test, I sent the other necessary documents (including the IAC certificate and insurance promise) to DVLA but this time in the name of a friend of mine who has lived in the UK for years – my cousin was on her honeymoon at the time so I didn't want to disturb her.
7. I left the car in the UK pending an answer from the DVLA.
8. As soon as my friend received the V5C registration certificate in his name he immediately took out insurance.
9. My friend "sold" the car to me.
10. I transported the car to Poland.
11. In Poland I paid customs duty (10 %), VAT (23 %) and excise duty (3.4 %) - it took a long time to find a customs agency that calculated according to the amount of the purchase contract, not according to the opinion of their own expert.
12. After customs clearance, I re-registered the car to myself - I had to do an additional technical check (I fitted the LHD lights back in) – In Poland, the authority does not yet check emission standards or safety equipment when importing a car from outside the EU (but this is rumoured to be changing).
In summary - in 2023 it was possible in Poland but very costly due to double duties after brexit
As far as I know, any EU citizen can register a car in Poland without any problems - they just have to give a Polish address.
In 2019 I got information from Per Jarden, a Swede, that a self-built car can be registered in his country for around 1,000 Euros. He May be able to help – https://www.ajden.se. I didn't go into this topic because I was very keen on the IVA test in the UK.
As you know I’m from Poland and I’m not an UK resident
I will describe to you step by step how I registered my KOZMO in Poland.
1. I built the car in Poland.
2. I sent to DVLA the IVA test application in my name from my cousin's UK address (the same address I gave in the application)
3. From Poland I made a phone appointment with the DVLA for a test date
4. I transported the car to the UK for the test - I didn’t pay the 17% UK import duty and 20% VAT (?) because Kozmo was already in the UK before brexit in 2017 and DVLA assigned to me a VIN number in 2018.
5. I passed the IVA test with no problems - the car is a left hand drive but for the test had RHD headlights fitted and swapped reverse and rear fog lights in place
6. After passing the test, I sent the other necessary documents (including the IAC certificate and insurance promise) to DVLA but this time in the name of a friend of mine who has lived in the UK for years – my cousin was on her honeymoon at the time so I didn't want to disturb her.
7. I left the car in the UK pending an answer from the DVLA.
8. As soon as my friend received the V5C registration certificate in his name he immediately took out insurance.
9. My friend "sold" the car to me.
10. I transported the car to Poland.
11. In Poland I paid customs duty (10 %), VAT (23 %) and excise duty (3.4 %) - it took a long time to find a customs agency that calculated according to the amount of the purchase contract, not according to the opinion of their own expert.
12. After customs clearance, I re-registered the car to myself - I had to do an additional technical check (I fitted the LHD lights back in) – In Poland, the authority does not yet check emission standards or safety equipment when importing a car from outside the EU (but this is rumoured to be changing).
In summary - in 2023 it was possible in Poland but very costly due to double duties after brexit
As far as I know, any EU citizen can register a car in Poland without any problems - they just have to give a Polish address.
In 2019 I got information from Per Jarden, a Swede, that a self-built car can be registered in his country for around 1,000 Euros. He May be able to help – https://www.ajden.se. I didn't go into this topic because I was very keen on the IVA test in the UK.
Edited by TomcatT4 on Thursday 7th March 10:29
Edited by TomcatT4 on Thursday 7th March 10:30
As Tomcat says, pre Brexit, the process was navigable, subsequently, nothing British is rubber-stamped. Unless I am misinformed, only Polish nationals, and legal residents with appropriate ID can register a car for use on the road. UK is (ironically!) one of the easiest and simple places in Europe to register a car. As frustrating as the IVA might be, at least its written process, that's consistent across the country.
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