BMW 2 Series Active Tourer Petrol Hybrid?
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Was looking to trade in the wife's 2013 Quasqai+2 for a 2018/19 BMW Grand Tourer Xdrive Diesel, however she's said do we really need a 7 seater (we prob only do once or twice a year picking up relations at Christmas/NY TBH)
She also does a 32 mile commute 4 days a week and the fuel costs are denting her take home on part time hours
I've came across this Petrol Hybrid below which seems ideal if she can charge at home/work
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311063...
Are these engines reliable and is the 25 mile range actually feasible on a 6 year old car?
And how long would it take to fully re-charge on a granny plug (I assume)??
She also does a 32 mile commute 4 days a week and the fuel costs are denting her take home on part time hours
I've came across this Petrol Hybrid below which seems ideal if she can charge at home/work
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202311063...
Are these engines reliable and is the 25 mile range actually feasible on a 6 year old car?
And how long would it take to fully re-charge on a granny plug (I assume)??
Puchased one of these for my wife 2 years ago, its the diesel sport version, she hates it and we're in the process of getting rid, good car quick and roomy but the sight lines when driving are appalling, especially trying to see traffic from the right at roundabouts, there's a pillar that causes the driver to almost have to lean forward towards the steering wheel to see what's about. She's stuck with it for the 2 years but has finally had enough so it's going. Suggest you take it on a good test drive to see if it's going to be an issue for your wife,
Pedro25 said:
Puchased one of these for my wife 2 years ago, its the diesel sport version, she hates it and we're in the process of getting rid, good car quick and roomy but the sight lines when driving are appalling, especially trying to see traffic from the right at roundabouts, there's a pillar that causes the driver to almost have to lean forward towards the steering wheel to see what's about. She's stuck with it for the 2 years but has finally had enough so it's going. Suggest you take it on a good test drive to see if it's going to be an issue for your wife,
Thanks for the reply Pedro, I did see that comment on the lease thread so a test drive makes senseJust to check - you mention the active tourer in the subject line, and the AT link, but that you're looking at a Grand Tourer.
The active tourer is a 5 seater only so if you want 7, you need to go Grand Tourer.
We had a 220d (not X Drive) Grand Tourer from ex demo to about 6 years old - my wife liked it - it's not too big for a MPV and she got on with the interior in particular. Didn't experience the sight lines issue mentioned above, but maybe I've just got used to most cars having thicker pillars..
Ours was reliable, but the Check engine light did come on about a week before we got rid of it - luckily it cleared itself with a spirited run (it had been used for short trips for a couple of weeks).
The 225xe would probably be better, but I can't give any direct first hand experience of the powertrain.
The active tourer is a 5 seater only so if you want 7, you need to go Grand Tourer.
We had a 220d (not X Drive) Grand Tourer from ex demo to about 6 years old - my wife liked it - it's not too big for a MPV and she got on with the interior in particular. Didn't experience the sight lines issue mentioned above, but maybe I've just got used to most cars having thicker pillars..
Ours was reliable, but the Check engine light did come on about a week before we got rid of it - luckily it cleared itself with a spirited run (it had been used for short trips for a couple of weeks).
The 225xe would probably be better, but I can't give any direct first hand experience of the powertrain.
sp222 said:
Just to check - you mention the active tourer in the subject line, and the AT link, but that you're looking at a Grand Tourer.
The active tourer is a 5 seater only so if you want 7, you need to go Grand Tourer.
We had a 220d (not X Drive) Grand Tourer from ex demo to about 6 years old - my wife liked it - it's not too big for a MPV and she got on with the interior in particular. Didn't experience the sight lines issue mentioned above, but maybe I've just got used to most cars having thicker pillars..
Ours was reliable, but the Check engine light did come on about a week before we got rid of it - luckily it cleared itself with a spirited run (it had been used for short trips for a couple of weeks).
The 225xe would probably be better, but I can't give any direct first hand experience of the powertrain.
Yip I originally looked at the 7 seater (Diesel) but with the missus stating the obvious (we've only got two kids) for the odd occasion we need a 7 seater (which we could do over 2 short runs in a 5 seater) the 225XE with the hybrid engine would meet our needs TBHThe active tourer is a 5 seater only so if you want 7, you need to go Grand Tourer.
We had a 220d (not X Drive) Grand Tourer from ex demo to about 6 years old - my wife liked it - it's not too big for a MPV and she got on with the interior in particular. Didn't experience the sight lines issue mentioned above, but maybe I've just got used to most cars having thicker pillars..
Ours was reliable, but the Check engine light did come on about a week before we got rid of it - luckily it cleared itself with a spirited run (it had been used for short trips for a couple of weeks).
The 225xe would probably be better, but I can't give any direct first hand experience of the powertrain.
Well the test drive experience ended up as I expected, big shiny localish dealer, arranged a viewing last night, booked in at reception 5 mins before the scheduled time and waited 30 minutes to be ignored, kids where hungry by this point so told reception we had to leave (it appears they got my surname wrong on both the phone and when I checked in) (the salesman did have my details)
3 main receptionists, 1 service receptionist and 10 sales stoating about with no customers and not one glance or acknowledgement (which would be hard to not notice given my two chimps wanted to wander and touch M8's
That's their story, the reality is the bored looking punter waiting before me was getting a test drive from the sole salesman doing his job (mine)
Did get a phone call about half a hour later with an apology about an misunderstanding (he had got a message about someone being in reception but since it wasn't my surname then he didn't bother coming out to see who it was) so nobodies actual fault and did I want to see a video of the car?
I explained why a test drive would be preferable (due the potential A pillar blindspot issue) but he didn't offer another time slot, so I said just to leave it
Not a big deal at the end of the day, but they must be making good money or banked their March registrations to be bothered with the likes of the great unwashed like me
3 main receptionists, 1 service receptionist and 10 sales stoating about with no customers and not one glance or acknowledgement (which would be hard to not notice given my two chimps wanted to wander and touch M8's
That's their story, the reality is the bored looking punter waiting before me was getting a test drive from the sole salesman doing his job (mine)
Did get a phone call about half a hour later with an apology about an misunderstanding (he had got a message about someone being in reception but since it wasn't my surname then he didn't bother coming out to see who it was) so nobodies actual fault and did I want to see a video of the car?
I explained why a test drive would be preferable (due the potential A pillar blindspot issue) but he didn't offer another time slot, so I said just to leave it
Not a big deal at the end of the day, but they must be making good money or banked their March registrations to be bothered with the likes of the great unwashed like me
My wife currently has 2019 Mini Countryman PHEV (which is the same drivetrain as BMW Active Tourer PHEV) 1.5 3 cyl petrol engine driving front wheels and electric motor driving rear wheels. Also I had BMW 218i Grand Tourer for 3 years, which is the same drivetrain on a slightly longer chassis, same 1.5 petrol engine driving front wheels.
Please note that those cars (MINI at least) gained larger 10kWh battery at some point in 2019 instead of 7.4 kWh. Ours is 10 kWh.
My wife commutes 40 miles round trip each day. We have wall charger and we charge as much as possible at home. Overall mpg over 35k miles is 90+mpg.
Electric range - 15-18 miles in winter and 20-22 in the summer, that is with 10 kwh battery. Take 25% off for 7.4 kWh battery. On a long journey MINI PHEV is not that economical, think 35 mpg.
Looks like we get about 2 miles of range less after 5 years.
25 mile range on smaller battery definitely not feasible, especially when 6 years old.
Granny Charger will take ~3 hours to recharge. TBH even dedicated wall charger would be almost the same, as the car only can take ~3kw/h.
Mini is good fun to drive, rather small boot. BMW is better build, more solid. Mini is very spec sensitive, base models can feel cheap, executive spec with loads of extras can feel premium.
In BMW petrol only car I got 35 mpg overall, with 40 mpg possible on long journeys within speed limits.
If it is your second family car – buy or lease a fully electric one for wife - currently good deals for Ora Funky Cat and Honda e:ny1.
Please note that those cars (MINI at least) gained larger 10kWh battery at some point in 2019 instead of 7.4 kWh. Ours is 10 kWh.
My wife commutes 40 miles round trip each day. We have wall charger and we charge as much as possible at home. Overall mpg over 35k miles is 90+mpg.
Electric range - 15-18 miles in winter and 20-22 in the summer, that is with 10 kwh battery. Take 25% off for 7.4 kWh battery. On a long journey MINI PHEV is not that economical, think 35 mpg.
Looks like we get about 2 miles of range less after 5 years.
25 mile range on smaller battery definitely not feasible, especially when 6 years old.
Granny Charger will take ~3 hours to recharge. TBH even dedicated wall charger would be almost the same, as the car only can take ~3kw/h.
Mini is good fun to drive, rather small boot. BMW is better build, more solid. Mini is very spec sensitive, base models can feel cheap, executive spec with loads of extras can feel premium.
In BMW petrol only car I got 35 mpg overall, with 40 mpg possible on long journeys within speed limits.
If it is your second family car – buy or lease a fully electric one for wife - currently good deals for Ora Funky Cat and Honda e:ny1.
redneckLT said:
My wife currently has 2019 Mini Countryman PHEV (which is the same drivetrain as BMW Active Tourer PHEV) 1.5 3 cyl petrol engine driving front wheels and electric motor driving rear wheels. Also I had BMW 218i Grand Tourer for 3 years, which is the same drivetrain on a slightly longer chassis, same 1.5 petrol engine driving front wheels.
Please note that those cars (MINI at least) gained larger 10kWh battery at some point in 2019 instead of 7.4 kWh. Ours is 10 kWh.
My wife commutes 40 miles round trip each day. We have wall charger and we charge as much as possible at home. Overall mpg over 35k miles is 90+mpg.
Electric range - 15-18 miles in winter and 20-22 in the summer, that is with 10 kwh battery. Take 25% off for 7.4 kWh battery. On a long journey MINI PHEV is not that economical, think 35 mpg.
Looks like we get about 2 miles of range less after 5 years.
25 mile range on smaller battery definitely not feasible, especially when 6 years old.
Granny Charger will take ~3 hours to recharge. TBH even dedicated wall charger would be almost the same, as the car only can take ~3kw/h.
Mini is good fun to drive, rather small boot. BMW is better build, more solid. Mini is very spec sensitive, base models can feel cheap, executive spec with loads of extras can feel premium.
In BMW petrol only car I got 35 mpg overall, with 40 mpg possible on long journeys within speed limits.
If it is your second family car – buy or lease a fully electric one for wife - currently good deals for Ora Funky Cat and Honda e:ny1.
Thanks for that detailed reply and funnily enough I did think about switching to a leased electric but would be £800 down right away for a charger plus I've always bought cars at 3 to 5 years old then ran them for 5 years then traded in, will need to do some man maths methinksPlease note that those cars (MINI at least) gained larger 10kWh battery at some point in 2019 instead of 7.4 kWh. Ours is 10 kWh.
My wife commutes 40 miles round trip each day. We have wall charger and we charge as much as possible at home. Overall mpg over 35k miles is 90+mpg.
Electric range - 15-18 miles in winter and 20-22 in the summer, that is with 10 kwh battery. Take 25% off for 7.4 kWh battery. On a long journey MINI PHEV is not that economical, think 35 mpg.
Looks like we get about 2 miles of range less after 5 years.
25 mile range on smaller battery definitely not feasible, especially when 6 years old.
Granny Charger will take ~3 hours to recharge. TBH even dedicated wall charger would be almost the same, as the car only can take ~3kw/h.
Mini is good fun to drive, rather small boot. BMW is better build, more solid. Mini is very spec sensitive, base models can feel cheap, executive spec with loads of extras can feel premium.
In BMW petrol only car I got 35 mpg overall, with 40 mpg possible on long journeys within speed limits.
If it is your second family car – buy or lease a fully electric one for wife - currently good deals for Ora Funky Cat and Honda e:ny1.
Yep I found out during the course of my research that the BMW's from August 2019 onwards got the 10KWh boost
Edited by Strocky on Wednesday 28th February 11:04
Just dug out the original invoice on the Quasqaui +2, between the cost of the car inc trade and the cost to run (average estimated monthly) the costs are below per month
103 Months of Ownership
£138pm (to own the car inc trade-in)
£3.50pm (mot)
£5pm (service)
£23.50pm (road tax)
£12pm (repairs/consumables)
£70pm (Fuel)
Total @ £252 per month
Less current cost of car @ £53 per month
Est total monthly cost of ownership @ £199 per month
103 Months of Ownership
£138pm (to own the car inc trade-in)
£3.50pm (mot)
£5pm (service)
£23.50pm (road tax)
£12pm (repairs/consumables)
£70pm (Fuel)
Total @ £252 per month
Less current cost of car @ £53 per month
Est total monthly cost of ownership @ £199 per month
Edited by Strocky on Wednesday 28th February 11:32
Edited by Strocky on Wednesday 28th February 11:32
Edited by Strocky on Wednesday 28th February 15:36
Strocky said:
Just dug out the original invoice on the Quasqaui +2, between the cost of the car inc trade and the cost to run (average estimated monthly) the costs are below per month
103 Months of Ownership
£138pm (to own the car inc trade-in)
£3.50pm (mot)
£5pm (service)
£23.50pm (road tax)
£12pm (repairs/consumables)
£70pm (Fuel)
Total @ £252 per month
Less current cost of car @ £53 per month
Est total monthly cost of ownership @ £199 per month
Going through a huffing phase with cars at the moment wondering what’s the point and maybe should spend my money a bit more sensible. 103 Months of Ownership
£138pm (to own the car inc trade-in)
£3.50pm (mot)
£5pm (service)
£23.50pm (road tax)
£12pm (repairs/consumables)
£70pm (Fuel)
Total @ £252 per month
Less current cost of car @ £53 per month
Est total monthly cost of ownership @ £199 per month
My petrol cost being higher per month than your total cost really just puts things into perspective
CG2020UK said:
Going through a huffing phase with cars at the moment wondering what’s the point and maybe should spend my money a bit more sensible.
My petrol cost being higher per month than your total cost really just puts things into perspective
Yip I was definitely anti PCP until I saw last night what the long term cost of ownership wasMy petrol cost being higher per month than your total cost really just puts things into perspective
Now in a conundrum about buying the BMW Hybrid vs leasing an Electric lease deal at £200/250pm
So spent a wee 1/2 hour on Excel and came up with the following cost PM inc running costs
2nd hand vs Electric Lease over 3 Yrs
Current Snotter = £209 pm (but needs to go)
BMW Hybrid above = £243 pm (but 6 years old)
Newer BMW Hybrid = £270 pm (but 3 to 4 years old)
Electric Lease = £310pm (based on £250pm bottom line + running costs EXC Home Charger Install @ £17pm over 3 Yrs))
Looks like risk vs reward territory, think I'll hold off for a few months
2nd hand vs Electric Lease over 3 Yrs
Current Snotter = £209 pm (but needs to go)
BMW Hybrid above = £243 pm (but 6 years old)
Newer BMW Hybrid = £270 pm (but 3 to 4 years old)
Electric Lease = £310pm (based on £250pm bottom line + running costs EXC Home Charger Install @ £17pm over 3 Yrs))
Looks like risk vs reward territory, think I'll hold off for a few months
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