Working in France for a week
Discussion
What you choose to do is up to you but here is the actual real answer:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/travel-to-france-for-w...
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/travel-to-france-for-w...
This is a nightmare since Brexit.
To do it by the book, you probably do need a work permit.
There are exceptions for things like training, meetings, and conferences.
The rule of thumb we use is if someone (e.g. an end client) is paying for it, you need a permit. If it's an internal thing, you don't.
The permits are relatively easy to do.
Your HR dept (or whoever) should really be sorting it.
I would question any company saying "just say it's internal meetings" when it isn't, as they're effectively telling you to enter the country illegally.
To do it by the book, you probably do need a work permit.
There are exceptions for things like training, meetings, and conferences.
The rule of thumb we use is if someone (e.g. an end client) is paying for it, you need a permit. If it's an internal thing, you don't.
The permits are relatively easy to do.
Your HR dept (or whoever) should really be sorting it.
I would question any company saying "just say it's internal meetings" when it isn't, as they're effectively telling you to enter the country illegally.
blank said:
This is a nightmare since Brexit.
To do it by the book, you probably do need a work permit.
There are exceptions for things like training, meetings, and conferences.
The rule of thumb we use is if someone (e.g. an end client) is paying for it, you need a permit. If it's an internal thing, you don't.
The permits are relatively easy to do.
Your HR dept (or whoever) should really be sorting it.
I would question any company saying "just say it's internal meetings" when it isn't, as they're effectively telling you to enter the country illegally.
Pragmatically for a week I don't think either side care.To do it by the book, you probably do need a work permit.
There are exceptions for things like training, meetings, and conferences.
The rule of thumb we use is if someone (e.g. an end client) is paying for it, you need a permit. If it's an internal thing, you don't.
The permits are relatively easy to do.
Your HR dept (or whoever) should really be sorting it.
I would question any company saying "just say it's internal meetings" when it isn't, as they're effectively telling you to enter the country illegally.
I go to Paris a lot for internal meetings (genuinely, I haven't been client side for years) and my passport is full of stamps. I speak pretty good French and the customs guy asked where my "Carte d'identité" was... then laughed and waved me through.
vaud said:
Pragmatically for a week I don't think either side care.
I go to Paris a lot for internal meetings (genuinely, I haven't been client side for years) and my passport is full of stamps. I speak pretty good French and the customs guy asked where my "Carte d'identité" was... then laughed and waved me through.
I agree, in the real world noone gives a fig. And I go to France a fair bit too.I go to Paris a lot for internal meetings (genuinely, I haven't been client side for years) and my passport is full of stamps. I speak pretty good French and the customs guy asked where my "Carte d'identité" was... then laughed and waved me through.
However I'd never tell any of my team to do it without the paperwork.
There's also the added complication if you're taking any significant "professional" equipment with you, that you either need to import it (either fully, paying the duty if applicable, or temporarily) or have a carnet.
blank said:
I agree, in the real world noone gives a fig. And I go to France a fair bit too.
However I'd never tell any of my team to do it without the paperwork.
There's also the added complication if you're taking any significant "professional" equipment with you, that you either need to import it (either fully, paying the duty if applicable, or temporarily) or have a carnet.
I'm just a suit and genuinely never go client side - our HR have a flowchart of visa scenarios so I'd just point my team to that... However I'd never tell any of my team to do it without the paperwork.
There's also the added complication if you're taking any significant "professional" equipment with you, that you either need to import it (either fully, paying the duty if applicable, or temporarily) or have a carnet.
That said I'm looking at finding some convenient client work in La Rochelle, Toulouse and Biarritz in the warmer months so I should probably read up now...
I'm another who's lucky enough to head to Paris pretty regularly (I spent close to a week every month there last year)
All internal work though, I run the IT for a group of Companies, one of which is in Paris.
I've only ever been asked the purpose of my trip once, I replied "business" and that was that.
Much the same on my US trips, though I only go there 3/4 times a year for a couple of weeks at a time.
All internal work though, I run the IT for a group of Companies, one of which is in Paris.
I've only ever been asked the purpose of my trip once, I replied "business" and that was that.
Much the same on my US trips, though I only go there 3/4 times a year for a couple of weeks at a time.
blank said:
This is a nightmare since Brexit.
To do it by the book, you probably do need a work permit.
There are exceptions for things like training, meetings, and conferences.
The rule of thumb we use is if someone (e.g. an end client) is paying for it, you need a permit. If it's an internal thing, you don't.
The permits are relatively easy to do.
Your HR dept (or whoever) should really be sorting it.
I would question any company saying "just say it's internal meetings" when it isn't, as they're effectively telling you to enter the country illegally.
Its not a nightmare pre or post Brexit. Same as its not a problem in US, HK, Singapore or most other major countries. You just state you're there for business. Only country I ever needed a visa for was India. To do it by the book, you probably do need a work permit.
There are exceptions for things like training, meetings, and conferences.
The rule of thumb we use is if someone (e.g. an end client) is paying for it, you need a permit. If it's an internal thing, you don't.
The permits are relatively easy to do.
Your HR dept (or whoever) should really be sorting it.
I would question any company saying "just say it's internal meetings" when it isn't, as they're effectively telling you to enter the country illegally.
i4got said:
blank said:
This is a nightmare since Brexit.
To do it by the book, you probably do need a work permit.
There are exceptions for things like training, meetings, and conferences.
The rule of thumb we use is if someone (e.g. an end client) is paying for it, you need a permit. If it's an internal thing, you don't.
The permits are relatively easy to do.
Your HR dept (or whoever) should really be sorting it.
I would question any company saying "just say it's internal meetings" when it isn't, as they're effectively telling you to enter the country illegally.
Its not a nightmare pre or post Brexit. Same as its not a problem in US, HK, Singapore or most other major countries. You just state you're there for business. Only country I ever needed a visa for was India. To do it by the book, you probably do need a work permit.
There are exceptions for things like training, meetings, and conferences.
The rule of thumb we use is if someone (e.g. an end client) is paying for it, you need a permit. If it's an internal thing, you don't.
The permits are relatively easy to do.
Your HR dept (or whoever) should really be sorting it.
I would question any company saying "just say it's internal meetings" when it isn't, as they're effectively telling you to enter the country illegally.
We have shot so many of our creative exports in the head it's ridiculous. That's just one example.
P675 said:
Hi all,
So I work for a UK company, live in the UK and am UKish. I will have to go to another site which is part of the global umbrella company, this is in France. Do I need a visa or something, or just turn up, do my work for a week and go home?
Thanks.
Internal work is generally fine, and as stated by others it's "internal business meetings"So I work for a UK company, live in the UK and am UKish. I will have to go to another site which is part of the global umbrella company, this is in France. Do I need a visa or something, or just turn up, do my work for a week and go home?
Thanks.
Work on client sites is generally subject to work visa requirements.
M.
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