When did overtaking on a mini roundabout become a thing?
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Twice in the last month I've witnessed overtaking on a mini roundabout!
The first was about 6pm where I was turning right, 90deg, at a cross roads junction with a mini roundabout / painted white circle. A mini, also turning right, passed me in the junction on the right hand side of the roundabout only just missing a collision by me moving left a bit.
The second, a three road t junction with a painted white circle. Two cars approaching the junction about 2pm, the second one, a Datsun Z, overtakes the first one by driving to the right of the circle. Both cars use same entry road and same exit road.
First driver I'd say was in his twenties, the second in his thirties.
Both were urban 30mph roads. The first incident has an infant school, pub and restaurants on the junction. The second, a bus route, has an infant school, high school and a blind entry/exit to a wood where dog walkers, cyclists and runners frequent.
Dangerous driving?
The first was about 6pm where I was turning right, 90deg, at a cross roads junction with a mini roundabout / painted white circle. A mini, also turning right, passed me in the junction on the right hand side of the roundabout only just missing a collision by me moving left a bit.
The second, a three road t junction with a painted white circle. Two cars approaching the junction about 2pm, the second one, a Datsun Z, overtakes the first one by driving to the right of the circle. Both cars use same entry road and same exit road.
First driver I'd say was in his twenties, the second in his thirties.
Both were urban 30mph roads. The first incident has an infant school, pub and restaurants on the junction. The second, a bus route, has an infant school, high school and a blind entry/exit to a wood where dog walkers, cyclists and runners frequent.
Dangerous driving?
James6112 said:
The painted circles are fair game to straight line etc, but never seen an overtake!
They aren’t fair game to straight line - it’s 3 points if you get caught and the problem with doing it is encouraging more and more extreme versions which lead to the roundabout not functioning properly. Lots of the DCWs posting on YouTube are claiming to be the aggrieved party, when they either go right over the top of the roundabout or even go the wrong way around it. Strangely, approaching at speed ‘with priority from the right’ trumps all the other rules in their minds.People forget the rules of a full size roundabout apply to the mini version, e.g giving way to traffic that is already on the roundabout
My biggest bugbear with the mini roundabout is that the paint is often faded or destroyed by road works, at night they become harder to see, especially in rainy conditions. They often need better signage and better street lighting.
My biggest bugbear with the mini roundabout is that the paint is often faded or destroyed by road works, at night they become harder to see, especially in rainy conditions. They often need better signage and better street lighting.
bristolracer said:
People forget the rules of a full size roundabout apply to the mini version, e.g giving way to traffic that is already on the roundabout
This!! Local to me there is a mini roundabout and people come really fast from far and do not slow down. I may be stuck there a few minutes to join even though I am at the roundabout cars 30m away treat it as a main road not slowing down. In theory I would be the first on the roundabout but it’s not worth the aggro. So I treat it as a normal junction. Either people don’t know the Highway Code or they don’t care. In general driving standards are not too bad in this country but how some drivers hold a licence beggars belief!Foss62 said:
They aren’t fair game to straight line - it’s 3 points if you get caught and the problem with doing it is encouraging more and more extreme versions which lead to the roundabout not functioning properly.
Here's a challenge. Would like to see a driver turn right (ie 3rd exit) without infringing on the painted white circle.
bigothunter said:
Here's a challenge. Would like to see a driver turn right (ie 3rd exit) without infringing on the painted white circle.
Why is that a challenge? The white circle is there to indicate a roundabout, yet not obstruct vehicle that cannot turn without passing over it. ‘Large’, in the sense of Rule 188, is a relative term in relation to the roundabout layout and dimensions.…
Highway Code. Rule 188
Mini-roundabouts. Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so. Remember, there is less space to manoeuvre and less time to signal. Avoid making U-turns at mini-roundabouts. Beware of others doing this.
Pica-Pica said:
Why is that a challenge? The white circle is there to indicate a roundabout, yet not obstruct vehicle that cannot turn without passing over it. ‘Large’, in the sense of Rule 188, is a relative term in relation to the roundabout layout and dimensions.
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Highway Code. Rule 188
Mini-roundabouts. Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so. Remember, there is less space to manoeuvre and less time to signal. Avoid making U-turns at mini-roundabouts. Beware of others doing this.
I suggest that most small vehicle are physically incapable of passing round the central markings of this micro-roundabout. But the highway code does not provide exemption for them.…
Highway Code. Rule 188
Mini-roundabouts. Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so. Remember, there is less space to manoeuvre and less time to signal. Avoid making U-turns at mini-roundabouts. Beware of others doing this.
In my opinion, such micro-roundabout are pointless.
Pica-Pica said:
bigothunter said:
Here's a challenge. Would like to see a driver turn right (ie 3rd exit) without infringing on the painted white circle.
Why is that a challenge? The white circle is there to indicate a roundabout, yet not obstruct vehicle that cannot turn without passing over it. ‘Large’, in the sense of Rule 188, is a relative term in relation to the roundabout layout and dimensions.…
Highway Code. Rule 188
Mini-roundabouts. Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so. Remember, there is less space to manoeuvre and less time to signal. Avoid making U-turns at mini-roundabouts. Beware of others doing this.
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