RE: VW Golf VR6 | Spotted

RE: VW Golf VR6 | Spotted

Wednesday 27th March

VW Golf VR6 | Spotted

All the VR6-engined Golfs seem desirable these days - does that also mean the Mk3?


The collectability of classic VW Golfs isn’t going anywhere now. We all hoped that big-money GTIs were a blip, only for them to sort of stay there. Then go up a bit more. Now, in the Golf’s 50th year, with the manual GTI dead and with any future retro-themed, hot hatchy product going to be electric, those authentic originals are almost certain to remain highly prized. Bad news for those wanting to buy one; great news for those hoping to sell. To many, the Mk1 and Mk2 Golf are the definitive GTIs, and that seems unlikely to change. 

Just as the Mk3 GTI will never, ever be anyone’s favourite. Even with the '90s fashionable and even with some smart-looking examples now around, its lesser-than status seems assured. Not as fun as the early cars, not as easily tuneable (or as handsome) as later turbo models. That’s just the way it is. But the GTI wasn’t the only fast Golf Mk3, of course, because the third generation of Golf also saw the introduction of the VR6. And that’s a very different kettle of fish, not least because it had no predecessor to be endlessly compared with. Back in the early 1990s, the 2.8-litre six was something new for the Golf and something new for hatchbacks generally. Now, with the era of big engines in small cars done, it’s easy to look back on one of the pioneers quite fondly. 

True, the engine may have found its best-loved home in the front of the Corrado, and the R32 may remain the most revered Golf that isn’t a GTI, yet the VR6 remains significant. The near-180hp ensured a level of performance unheard of in a Golf until that time, along with a cultured, rasping soundtrack that a four-cylinder could never hope to replicate. Considered as a shrunken, practical GT rather than a supersonic pocket rocket, there was a lot to like about the VR6. Indeed, such was the reputation established by it that the Mk4 Golf carried on with the 2.8-litre unit before the 3.2-litre R32 arrived. At the time, nobody could get enough VR6 in the Golf. From Mk3 to the end of Mk5 R32, we had 15 years of them in the UK.

Certainly, this example shouldn’t be ignored. Short of a Rosso Corsa 355 that’s polished every day, it’s hard to imagine a red car from the '90s still retaining such lustrous paint, for starters. It looks to have been garaged for every night of its 29 years. The interior is perhaps more dour, though looks equally well preserved. Those perfectly paired BBS wheels (try to name a Golf they don’t look good on) have barely a mark on them.

Somewhat incredibly given the VR6’s reputation as a mile muncher, this Golf has covered just 43,000 miles since 1995 with only two owners. Clearly they’ve been dedicated to the car and its up keep, because this sort of condition doesn’t happen by accident. For a Golf edition that’s widely liked but perhaps not adored, that’s good to see. As a three-door manual, it’s the most desirable spec for collectors (and surely the nicest to drive). 

It’s £10k, too, which doesn’t go very far on planet classic Golf. There just aren’t Mk1 and Mk2 GTIs to find for that money; there are automatic Clippers being offered for more. There are cheap Mk4 2.8s around, but nobody really wants one of those. An R32 with anything like comparable mileage is at least 50 per cent extra, and more like double for the Mk4. While certainly different prospects with additional power and four-wheel drive, a lot of the charm is in that snarling engine first introduced in the Mk3. For a slightly different take on an old school Golf, this VR6 looks very appealing indeed.


SPECIFICATION | VW GOLF VR6

Engine: 2,792cc V6
Transmission: 5-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 174@5,800rpm
Torque (lb ft): 173@4,200rpm
MPG: c. 25mpg
CO2: N/A
Recorded mileage: 43,000
Year registered: 1995
Price new: N/A
Yours for: £10,995

See the original advert here

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NicoG

Original Poster:

641 posts

208 months

Wednesday 27th March
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Fond memories of the L-reg VR6 I had around 2002/3 - I used to commute 120 miles daily in it, and with a bit of restraint, it returned (an indicated) 44mpg, which was believable. (fuel was well under a-nugget-a-litre then from memory too., even the high-voltage stuff..)

Mine had the ubiquitous rust patch under the rear window rubber, and I felt it was always a bit lacking in corrosion protection. The one in the article has clearly been looked-after to have dodged the rust 20 years later.

Swapped it for an E30 325i Sport

Edited to add - I paid £1,400 for mine from memory....

bloomen

6,895 posts

159 months

Wednesday 27th March
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Test drove one of these. It felt like a wheezy blancmange on stilts. Maybe it was having an off day.

bodhi

10,503 posts

229 months

Wednesday 27th March
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Having had 3 Mk3s over the years I was never entirely sure why they got the drubbing they did.

OK I do know, it was based on the 8v which wasn't particularly quick and had a horrible sounding engine - went OK round corners though.

I had 2 16vs after that and they were MUCH more like it, enough power to be entertaining, similar enjoyable handling and similar propensity to rust. Only real reliability issue I had over my two was when the gearbox lost R/1/2, which turned out to have been caused by one of the caps in the engine falling off and jamming in the gear linkage....

Had a go of a mate's VR6, and whilst the engine was lovely I preferred the 16v - softer suspension and heavy lump in the front meant it wasn't that great when things got twisty.

Lawrence Wilde

6 posts

92 months

Wednesday 27th March
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For what it’s worth I think that’s decent value and a rare survivor too, plus the engine is the genesis for the Golf V6, R32 bloodline.

Back in the day I had a 93 manual 3 door that I ran alongside a mk1 GTI, totally different beasts but both great in their own right.

Final point, as a modern fair weather classic you could do far worse, but for a track day warrior look else where….

Mike1990

964 posts

131 months

Wednesday 27th March
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Looks a rather well kept example that seems to be sensibly priced.

fantheman80

1,439 posts

49 months

Wednesday 27th March
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Who remembers the advert with the beetles racing...? VW have done some great ads over the years




WPA

8,797 posts

114 months

Wednesday 27th March
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Always remember this magazine cover, having owned one (GTI 8V), they were not that great.

It was an interesting idea, V6 in a hatch but standard they were poor, upgraded suspension transformed them.

Not sure I would pay this much for one, R32 or mk5 GTI are so much better to drive for the same or more money.


MDMA .

8,899 posts

101 months

Wednesday 27th March
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I had an immaculate, late model one. Koni adjustables, Eibach springs, 16” BBS splits, full Milltek system and a set of 263 cams. Loved that car. Very front heavy though and didn’t like corners.


BFleming

3,606 posts

143 months

Wednesday 27th March
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A colleague in Germany had one from new. I remember the running costs being ruinous - relatively speaking. Very heavy on fuel as a daily.

benjidog

84 posts

61 months

Wednesday 27th March
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WPA said:
Always remember this magazine cover, having owned one (GTI 8V), they were not that great.

It was an interesting idea, V6 in a hatch but standard they were poor, upgraded suspension transformed them.

Not sure I would pay this much for one, R32 or mk5 GTI are so much better to drive for the same or more money.

Remember that cover.

Boom78

1,218 posts

48 months

Wednesday 27th March
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I think people are harsh on the Golf VR6 when criticising its handling and general sportiness. It wasnt supposed to be a super hot racer, it was a cruiser and did it very well at it. Engine sounded great with an aftermarket cone filter too. Oddly the corrado VR6 gets plenty of plaudits and a cult following but was equally front heavy and not great at corners.

Mere mortal

6 posts

92 months

Wednesday 27th March
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Boom78 - has nailed the Golf VR6 design brief and to that brief it delivered

WPA

8,797 posts

114 months

Wednesday 27th March
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Mere mortal said:
Boom78 - has nailed the Golf VR6 design brief and to that brief it delivered
The trouble was that the BMW 325/328 was so much better and the VR6 was up against these cars when new.

dunnoreally

965 posts

108 months

Wednesday 27th March
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It looks a very good example. Price is by no means absurd for a specialist car of this vintage in this condition.

Not my thing at all, though.


WPA

8,797 posts

114 months

Wednesday 27th March
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So sold by the original owner for £6500 a short while ago plus has a 6 year gap in the mot's





https://www.tradeclassics.com/auctions/vw/1995-vw-...

epom

11,525 posts

161 months

Wednesday 27th March
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The MK3 gets a fair drubbing and a lot of it well deserved. I do think however that they are still a good looking car, performance wise I'm not sure anything of that era would be described as brisk these days compared to modern hot hatches.
A 16v Anniversary would be in one of my dream garages.

J4CKO

41,565 posts

200 months

Wednesday 27th March
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Boom78 said:
I think people are harsh on the Golf VR6 when criticising its handling and general sportiness. It wasnt supposed to be a super hot racer, it was a cruiser and did it very well at it. Engine sounded great with an aftermarket cone filter too. Oddly the corrado VR6 gets plenty of plaudits and a cult following but was equally front heavy and not great at corners.
Yeah, it wasnt a GTI ++, it was more a BMW 325i, Mazda Xedos and that kind of thing rival, with a hint of GTI type look.

I had a quick go in one and was expecting GTI and then some, was a bit underwhelmed at what it wasnt, not impressed with what it was, the 16 valve Mk3 was more what I was looking for.

Similar feeling when I got an M135i, nice, fast, good auto box, leather but for all the performance, lacked that hot hatch feel.

ImFeelingSaucy

149 posts

24 months

Wednesday 27th March
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Not sure the market has gone up £4500 in a year.
If anything it might have softened a little.
£6500 feels about right for one of these.
Still, it’s worth what someone pays I guess.
Let’s see.

DaveyBoyWonder

2,502 posts

174 months

Wednesday 27th March
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I was thinking £10k doesn't seem absolutely mental for one of these with that kind of mileage assuming the underside is as clean as the top side as mk3 like to disintegrate... but if it only hit £6500 a while back, maybe thats where the market is at? Last time I checked, really rough looking dogs with well over 100k and dubious mods were well over £3k.

s m

23,226 posts

203 months

Wednesday 27th March
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J4CKO said:
Yeah, it wasnt a GTI ++, it was more a BMW 325i, Mazda Xedos and that kind of thing rival, with a hint of GTI type look.

I had a quick go in one and was expecting GTI and then some, was a bit underwhelmed at what it wasnt, not impressed with what it was, the 16 valve Mk3 was more what I was looking for.

Similar feeling when I got an M135i, nice, fast, good auto box, leather but for all the performance, lacked that hot hatch feel.
They did test it back to back with the 325 when it came out too J4CKO……