When is a motorway not a motorway?
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Greetings,
Portsmouth is now happily putting speed signs all over the tarmac of the M275 reducing its entire length to 60mph with 50mph on the sliproads. Am I right in saying that as its entire length is now permanantly being set at a limit of less than 70 it should no longer be classified as a motorway when the signs go up?
Portsmouth is now happily putting speed signs all over the tarmac of the M275 reducing its entire length to 60mph with 50mph on the sliproads. Am I right in saying that as its entire length is now permanantly being set at a limit of less than 70 it should no longer be classified as a motorway when the signs go up?
sadako said:
Am I right in saying that as its entire length is now permanantly being set at a limit of less than 70 it should no longer be classified as a motorway when the signs go up?
Nope. The national speed limit on motorways is 70mph. The fact that the M275 is having limits set lower than that doesn't stop it from being a motorway, with all the extra regulations that that implies.
Richard C said:
Theres a 50 limit on the M4 ( complete with gatsos ) near Port Talbot. I belive beacuse its on an overhead section near houses its to reduce nose levels - nothing to do with safety
actually the speed limit there is to do with safety, all the slip roads on that bit are very short, so the limit is lower, so you don't emerge into fast moving traffic, whilst still going slowly.
In Norfolk you could build a sliproad a mile long and the slowsters will still amble up at 45mph then brake at the end....
Setting a lower limit on the sliproad (assuming it's the onslip) is clearly the work of somebody who doesn't understand how these things are supposed to work.
But why can these imbeciles get into positions where life and death decisions like these are routinely made like they're choosing the colour of the new conference room. And stranger still, how come the committees that surely review thise dumbarsed proposals don't see the stupidity and bounce them back?
SM
Setting a lower limit on the sliproad (assuming it's the onslip) is clearly the work of somebody who doesn't understand how these things are supposed to work.
But why can these imbeciles get into positions where life and death decisions like these are routinely made like they're choosing the colour of the new conference room. And stranger still, how come the committees that surely review thise dumbarsed proposals don't see the stupidity and bounce them back?
SM
supermono said:
But why can these imbeciles get into positions where life and death decisions like these are routinely made like they're choosing the colour of the new conference room. And stranger still, how come the committees that surely review thise dumbarsed proposals don't see the stupidity and bounce them back?
SM
Maybe, because commonsense has left the country
. Atb Derek.sadako said:
Greetings,
Portsmouth is now happily putting speed signs all over the tarmac of the M275 reducing its entire length to 60mph with 50mph on the sliproads. Am I right in saying that as its entire length is now permanantly being set at a limit of less than 70 it should no longer be classified as a motorway when the signs go up?
These are supposed to be long term temporary limits while Tipner gets bulldozed and rebuilt. They're not in force yet, even though the signs have been painted onto the tarmac-wait for the roundels to appear (quickly followed by the cameras).
However, some might say that the M275 isn't much more than one long sliproad anyway....
deeps said:
Greetings,
Portsmouth is now happily putting speed signs all over the tarmac of the M275 reducing its entire length to 60mph with 50mph on the sliproads.
Do you know what their reasons are for that? Who makes the decision?
The order and the response from my MP can be found in the following thread:
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=10&t=201319
polus said:Southbound, just as the M11 reduces down to two lanes, as it is about to join the A406 North Circular.
And the sneakiest speed camera in the country is on a 50mph section of the M11 IIRC
Where that then?
I think it had the distinction of being the most profitable camera in the country.
Halfway down the page ;
www.abd.org.uk/cameras/essex.htm
rsvmilly said:I know it well (thankfully have never been caught by it.)
And the sneakiest speed camera in the country is on a 50mph section of the M11 IIRC
Where that then?
I think it had the distinction of being the most profitable camera in the country.
Halfway down the page ;
www.abd.org.uk/cameras/essex.htm
Difficult, as alot of people go through it at way over the limit, so it is reasonable to assume it is not active. However, this is a main route into East London, and the proportion of vehicles with duff registration details in this area is massive.
Hence, the Local Boyz carry on with impunity while everyone else is stuffed.
Oli.
Off at a slight tangent here, but...
Q: When is a motorway not a motorway?
A: When it is a 3-lane dual carriageway. Only difference is green signs rather than blue signs, but otherwise identical apart from one crucial thing - learner drivers are allowed to drive on this. This is how I managed to acquire motroway training & experience before I had passed my test.
Not the answer you were looking for, but a valid answer to the question.
Q: When is a motorway not a motorway?
A: When it is a 3-lane dual carriageway. Only difference is green signs rather than blue signs, but otherwise identical apart from one crucial thing - learner drivers are allowed to drive on this. This is how I managed to acquire motroway training & experience before I had passed my test.
Not the answer you were looking for, but a valid answer to the question.
JonRB said:
Off at a slight tangent here, but...
Q: When is a motorway not a motorway?
A: When it is a 3-lane dual carriageway. Only difference is green signs rather than blue signs, but otherwise identical apart from one crucial thing - learner drivers are allowed to drive on this. This is how I managed to acquire motroway training & experience before I had passed my test.
Not the answer you were looking for, but a valid answer to the question.
Err, not quite, because a 3 lane DC was never a motorway.....
kevinday said:There's a saying that goes something like "if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it is a duck".
Err, not quite, because a 3 lane DC was never a motorway.....
In the same way, I was saying that a 3-lane carriageway with armco on either side, a hard shoulder, slip roads on and off and indistinguishable from a motorway in all respects other than green signs rather than blue, is a motorway in all but name.
Therefore,
Q: When is a motorway not a motorway?
A: When it is a 3-lane dual carriageway as mentioned above (and/or it quacks).
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