Metro 6R4

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member8888

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188 posts

230 months

Sunday 12th February 2006
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Does anyone do a 6R4 replica that can cut the mustard. A repro that looks like and acts like the real thing?

ferg

15,242 posts

257 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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No.

Not even close. The layout is so unusual it makes the donor too difficult. You could scratch build with 2WD possibly, but the car is such that a direct copy of a 6R4 shell would be the starting point. This photo gives you an idea of how the thing works:

annodomini2

6,860 posts

251 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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member8888 said:
Does anyone do a 6R4 replica that can cut the mustard. A repro that looks like and acts like the real thing?


Plus if you wanted the same engine, you're looking at either an existing 6R4 or an XJ220.

m1spw

5,999 posts

225 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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These guys do a lot of work on performance Metros, although not a 6R4:

Talon Sports Cars

Look in the for sale section for a car they currently have for sale.

ferg

15,242 posts

257 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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Mmmm... and a nice Libra.

..and NO-ONE has built more Libras than Dudley!!

I've been 'round Donington in that Metro, it's frightening!

m1spw

5,999 posts

225 months

Monday 13th February 2006
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ferg said:
Mmmm... and a nice Libra.

..and NO-ONE has built more Libras than Dudley!!

I've been 'round Donington in that Metro, it's frightening!

Lovely sounding Libra

I've found two 1.4's for sale as well, both in red. And also both quite expensive

eliot

11,418 posts

254 months

Tuesday 14th February 2006
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annodomini2 said:
member8888 said:
Does anyone do a 6R4 replica that can cut the mustard. A repro that looks like and acts like the real thing?


Plus if you wanted the same engine, you're looking at either an existing 6R4 or an XJ220.


Or cut two cylinders of a Rover V8, which is what they did on the first few development cars.

annodomini2

6,860 posts

251 months

Tuesday 14th February 2006
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eliot said:
annodomini2 said:
member8888 said:
Does anyone do a 6R4 replica that can cut the mustard. A repro that looks like and acts like the real thing?


Plus if you wanted the same engine, you're looking at either an existing 6R4 or an XJ220.


Or cut two cylinders of a Rover V8, which is what they did on the first few development cars.


For the 1st development cars I would guess they would be, but they would be unique castings and not hacked blocks, too much opportunity to introduce issues.

member8888

Original Poster:

188 posts

230 months

Tuesday 14th February 2006
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Thanks

thegreenhell

15,278 posts

219 months

Saturday 18th February 2006
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There's been at least one replica built using a Renault GTA v6 turbo engine and 'box. I would guess that these have been one-offs rather than kit-builds, though.

There's a short vid of one here on PH clicky

groomi

9,317 posts

243 months

Saturday 18th February 2006
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How about redressing the balance by dropping a Jag V12 into a 6R4 replica?

member8888

Original Poster:

188 posts

230 months

Saturday 18th February 2006
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Need one, badly.

eliot

11,418 posts

254 months

Sunday 19th February 2006
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Re the cut down engine, it just stuff Ive read on the net. passing reference to it here:
http://austin-rover.co.uk/index.htm?m
and
www.roversd1.nl/sd1web/wing.html

Quite interesting how they done the 4wd part.

If you want to take a look at one, go visit the Gaydon motor museum in warwickshire - there's loads of interesting cars up there.

ferg

15,242 posts

257 months

Sunday 19th February 2006
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thegreenhell said:
There's been at least one replica built using a Renault GTA v6 turbo engine and 'box.
Only 2WD drive though....

thegreenhell

15,278 posts

219 months

Sunday 19th February 2006
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Well yes, 2WD only. But if you wanted to go the mid-engine route then short of getting hold of some genuine 6R4 transmission I don't see how you could get 4WD. If you were prepared to compromise on engine location in a quest for a 4WD Metro then you could always try to shoehorn in some Impreza running gear and make a 4R4...

ferg

15,242 posts

257 months

Sunday 19th February 2006
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thegreenhell said:
......then short of getting hold of some genuine 6R4 transmission I don't see how you could get 4WD.

There are other cars with a similar setup, but I'd agree with that point. See my first post above...
However the original question was:

member8888 said:
Does anyone do a 6R4 replica that can cut the mustard. A repro that looks like and acts like the real thing?



Dave Dax builder

662 posts

259 months

Sunday 19th February 2006
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Just to be completely daft why not fit a Lambo engine and box and have a 12R4.


I'll get my coat.......

Twincam16

27,646 posts

258 months

Monday 27th February 2006
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I've seen a few home/motorsport outlet-built mid-engined Metros before, sometimes tagged '4R2'. There was one in the Practical Classics small ads last year with a mid-mounted Ford engine, looked completely standard from the outside, just had an engine where the rear seats were supposed to be.

If I was building a replica, I might actually try and use an MGF as a donor. Wheelbase is similar, the engine's already mid-mounted and I bet with more space to work with on the F chassis you could slot a KV6 in there. They do have a bit in common actually - both were developed by Tony Pond. OK, so it would be RWD as opposed to FWD, but with a 'kit car' (in the rally car sense) 6R4 body on a V6-engined MGF chassis, you'd still have a lot of fun, and with the suspension at the right level and a knock-resistant ultra-simple Metro bodyshell on top of it all, doing a bit of rallying here and there wouldn't be out of the picture either I'm sure.

ferg

15,242 posts

257 months

Monday 27th February 2006
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Wheelbase might be similar, Sam, but the track would definately be a problem....

member8888

Original Poster:

188 posts

230 months

Monday 27th February 2006
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I've got access to chassis now, a carbonfibre/aluminium extrusion tub currently being developed by a friend of mine. The idea is that I'll buy a metro and add on the 6r4 body panels which can be got hold of quite reasonably, then mould it in two main sections. Front clam shell and main body shell including front bulkhead. All of this will then sit like a remote control car body onto the chassis. This would offer 6rf styling and straightline performance with limited investment. The engine would be transverse and drive the rear wheels only. Possibly duratec. If anyone else is could see themselves driving around in the above I'd be interested as this would spread the cost and speed up the process.