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If you are stopped by the polie and they intend to give you a TS10 or a minor conviction but you beleive that you didnt do it, by signing the slip does that mean that you have admitted the offence.
secondly would this go against you if you ask for the matter to be settled in court? if you dont sign the nip would the court look down on you with a look of disgrace?
any ideas?
secondly would this go against you if you ask for the matter to be settled in court? if you dont sign the nip would the court look down on you with a look of disgrace?
any ideas?
More or less what I asked here;
http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.
Lets hope it can be changed as at the moment its just not acceptable.
http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.
Lets hope it can be changed as at the moment its just not acceptable.
This was covered a couple of days ago in the Right to Silence thread in SP&L - extract below:
mg6b said:
If you are stopped and the officer decides that FPN is the way to deal with you, you have two options.
Endorsable FPN
1. Accept the FPN and surrender your driving licence to him or her. This will require you to sign the FPN as it then temporarily becomes your driving licence. The details will be transferred onto the copy of the FPN you are awarded! If you refuse to sign the FPN you are effectively failing to sign your temporary licence and therefore the officer will have to offer you your licence back and report you for the offence with an impending prosecution through summons.
2. Accept the FPN without surrendering your licence because you do not have it with you and elect to produce your licence at the station of your choice within 7 days. On attendance if you wish to accept the FPN, you will have to surrender your licence. The desk clerk will ask you to sign the FPN when they take it from you and you will be given the FPN back with your licence details written on it. If you refuse, they cannot accept your licence and you cannot be part of the FP scheme. The facts will be sent on to the officer who will proceed with a prosecution file and summons.
If you accept a FPN and sign the form, you have 28 days in which to decide how to continue. You can send off the counter slip attached to the bottom of the FPN with your cheque and in due course, your licence will return from the relevant court duely endorsed for the small costof £60. You can of course change your mind in those 28 days and request to be dealt with by a court. If that happens, you fill in the reverse of the FPN requesting a court hearing and your licence will be returned to you along with a summons to attend Mags Court.
Signing an endorsable FPN is not an admission of guilt. If you need your licence to do something like hire a car when you have surrendered your real one to a police officer or desk clerk, you will need a substitute to do it with. The FPN endorsed with your monica will comply with the requirement to show a vailid driving licence.
Admission of guilt where a FPN is concerned is when the FP office receive your cheque for £60 within the 28 day period allowed. Any other course will result in the licence returned and a summons sent to you for your opportunity to tell the true story
SS2. said:
This was covered a couple of days ago in the Right to Silence thread in SP&L - extract below:
mg6b said:
If you are stopped and the officer decides that FPN is the way to deal with you, you have two options.
Endorsable FPN
1. Accept the FPN and surrender your driving licence to him or her. This will require you to sign the FPN as it then temporarily becomes your driving licence. The details will be transferred onto the copy of the FPN you are awarded! If you refuse to sign the FPN you are effectively failing to sign your temporary licence and therefore the officer will have to offer you your licence back and report you for the offence with an impending prosecution through summons.
2. Accept the FPN without surrendering your licence because you do not have it with you and elect to produce your licence at the station of your choice within 7 days. On attendance if you wish to accept the FPN, you will have to surrender your licence. The desk clerk will ask you to sign the FPN when they take it from you and you will be given the FPN back with your licence details written on it. If you refuse, they cannot accept your licence and you cannot be part of the FP scheme. The facts will be sent on to the officer who will proceed with a prosecution file and summons.
If you accept a FPN and sign the form, you have 28 days in which to decide how to continue. You can send off the counter slip attached to the bottom of the FPN with your cheque and in due course, your licence will return from the relevant court duely endorsed for the small cost
Signing an endorsable FPN is not an admission of guilt. If you need your licence to do something like hire a car when you have surrendered your real one to a police officer or desk clerk, you will need a substitute to do it with. The FPN endorsed with your monica will comply with the requirement to show a vailid driving licence.
Admission of guilt where a FPN is concerned is when the FP office receive your cheque for £60 within the 28 day period allowed. Any other course will result in the licence returned and a summons sent to you for your opportunity to tell the true story
Not what happened when I was stopped recently on a very quiet dry dual carriageway (A90) on a Sunday evening at 23.30 for 87 in a 70. I accepted the FPN, and the only thing I signed was the cheque for £60 a couple weeks later. No producer and not even breathylsed, so for all they know I could have been in an uninsured car with no MOT and over the alcohol limit, but they got me bang to rights for driving slightly too quick in very safe conditions so that's alright then
what if the officer says that you did commit the crime but you say you never did so then he decides to give you a slip and asks you to sign it but you point blank refuse to sign it,
1,does signing this hold any water with the courts for the pold,or
2,go against you as not co-operating with the law?
its something i need to find out as i have supposedly gone through red lights when they were actually amber,
pold says i did,
i said i didnt,
he said he was issuing a nip,
i said i'll see you in court
he said sign
i said no
he didnt know what to do
so rookie cop who was writing the nip signed it and then he did
after all that i asked him that if i had said i did go through red would he have let me go? to which he repled YES!
it was obvious he was trying to make an example of me to the rookie. i cant wait to go to court on this one, i feel i can put a strong case forward
1,does signing this hold any water with the courts for the pold,or
2,go against you as not co-operating with the law?
its something i need to find out as i have supposedly gone through red lights when they were actually amber,
pold says i did,
i said i didnt,
he said he was issuing a nip,
i said i'll see you in court
he said sign
i said no
he didnt know what to do
so rookie cop who was writing the nip signed it and then he did
after all that i asked him that if i had said i did go through red would he have let me go? to which he repled YES!
it was obvious he was trying to make an example of me to the rookie. i cant wait to go to court on this one, i feel i can put a strong case forward
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