spark plugs for 2004 cv8 monaro
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Thanks for the info. I'm having a small argument with Vauxhall atm. The main Vauxhall dealer near me has said that if I don't fit Vauxhall parts (Plugs and HT leads) they'll void my warranty on the car!!
I did point out that, that practise was made illegal in the 80s because it's monopolistic. He basically said tough. So I called Vauxhall customer support and basically got the same line until I pointed out the illegality of the statement, they quickly recanted saying that it would void the warranty on the engine not the whole car, then eventually that it would void the warranty on the engine if it was deemed by Vauxhall that the damage was caused by not fitting Vauxhall parts (We're talking HT leads and plugs!)
I find the whole episode rather sad. The reason I'm changing the plugs and HT leads is that my current HT leads are arcing and it's reducing the spark somewhat. There's nothing obviously wrong with the current leads and the cars only got 14K miles on it. It would seem that the Vauxhall leads just aren't quite up to the job, thus I thaught I'd try Magnecor HTs. The Vx plugs seem ok as they're fitting platinum ones but a bit expensive. Anyway thaught you might like to hear the story.
Thanks for the help once again
Stu
I did point out that, that practise was made illegal in the 80s because it's monopolistic. He basically said tough. So I called Vauxhall customer support and basically got the same line until I pointed out the illegality of the statement, they quickly recanted saying that it would void the warranty on the engine not the whole car, then eventually that it would void the warranty on the engine if it was deemed by Vauxhall that the damage was caused by not fitting Vauxhall parts (We're talking HT leads and plugs!)
I find the whole episode rather sad. The reason I'm changing the plugs and HT leads is that my current HT leads are arcing and it's reducing the spark somewhat. There's nothing obviously wrong with the current leads and the cars only got 14K miles on it. It would seem that the Vauxhall leads just aren't quite up to the job, thus I thaught I'd try Magnecor HTs. The Vx plugs seem ok as they're fitting platinum ones but a bit expensive. Anyway thaught you might like to hear the story.
Thanks for the help once again
Stu
The standard leads are suppose to be not too bad, they do cost a lot though. Voiding warranty? for changing spark plugs? Holden would have a lot of trouble with that down here. So if you put in a K&N filter or a replacement Halfords paper air filter.....bang, your warranty is gone?????
Maybe you should use Vauxhall/Holden OEM oil too!!!
I think they have lost their marbles there.
I was just reading a copy of EVO from over there about a fellow in a Ferrari who had to pay for a inertia switch on his 2004 Ferrari, and the 1000 pounds of diagnosis and replacement. Not covered by warranty!!! Inertia switch cuts power to half of the cylinders in event of a crash What would be covered by warranty? The Consumer people would have a field day with that I reckon down here. Of course, Don't know the Ferrari side of the story.
Maybe you should use Vauxhall/Holden OEM oil too!!!
I think they have lost their marbles there.
I was just reading a copy of EVO from over there about a fellow in a Ferrari who had to pay for a inertia switch on his 2004 Ferrari, and the 1000 pounds of diagnosis and replacement. Not covered by warranty!!! Inertia switch cuts power to half of the cylinders in event of a crash What would be covered by warranty? The Consumer people would have a field day with that I reckon down here. Of course, Don't know the Ferrari side of the story.
StuartL said:
I need to put new plugs on my monaro what I need to know is where can I source them and what are they called Vauxhall want to charge £10 per plug!
Help and advice please.
NB I'm also putting Magnacour HT leads on any comments?
Platinum and Iridium coated plugs are for extended life. They should last you upwards of 50,000miles. I've seen cars that have run them for more than that with no problems.
The coating of precious metal comes at a cost obviously.
One can fit the more "normal" or even copper cored plugs at a much reduced cost but they will probably need replacing after about 10-15,000miles.
Thanks Doug but I've already ordered them from Midland Performance Centre Ltd. However I might have ordeed the wrong ones, I didn't realise there were two different sets fitted to the Monaro neither did Midland Performance. So I'll have to wait and see if I get the right ones :/
Car is in at Vauxhall today along with the LPG people. I thaught if I got both of them together they might not just ping pong blame and might actually come to a concensus about what to do. It's costing me, but hopefully it'll be worth it.
I'll keep you informed about the outcome.
Car is in at Vauxhall today along with the LPG people. I thaught if I got both of them together they might not just ping pong blame and might actually come to a concensus about what to do. It's costing me, but hopefully it'll be worth it.
I'll keep you informed about the outcome.
Yes it is. I spoke to them about the backfires and the plastic inlet manifold and they said the problem was sorted out about 2 years ago with the Prinz Gen II or Gen III system (can't remember which) and they haven't had any issues since then. I've got it covered with insurance either way just incase.
It seems ok, however I do have a few teething problems atm, as this thread shows. No comeback from Vauxhall today hopefully they'll give us some feedback tomorrow :/
It seems ok, however I do have a few teething problems atm, as this thread shows. No comeback from Vauxhall today hopefully they'll give us some feedback tomorrow :/
Whats the conversion cost?
Fuel is about 40% less at the mo, until old Gordon raises tax on it.
Also how long do you intend to keep the car for?
Just trying to work out if its worth the cost?
(eg) £2000 to convert, at 40p savings per litre. The same as 5000 litres. Around 2 years of petrol compared to lpg.
I guess if you do loads of miles it will pay for itself quite fast. Maybe like 20,000 miles PA?
Fuel is about 40% less at the mo, until old Gordon raises tax on it.
Also how long do you intend to keep the car for?
Just trying to work out if its worth the cost?
(eg) £2000 to convert, at 40p savings per litre. The same as 5000 litres. Around 2 years of petrol compared to lpg.
I guess if you do loads of miles it will pay for itself quite fast. Maybe like 20,000 miles PA?
This just gets more and more entertaining (not).
The conversion doesn't void the warranty on the engine. The warranty just won't cover damage to the engine caused by the conversion. (This is word for word what Vauxhall customer service told me). However if I use non Vauxhall HT leads this does void the warranty! (Also word for word from Vauxhall).
Vauxhall say that if you put a screwdriver against the HT leads then you will get arcing off the screwdriver against the engine. Also arcing across the end of the HT lead to the engine by the Plugs is normal. (Is this?)
This is the most interesting and could use some advice on. They also said that the O2 sensors were showing banks one and two were running lean on Gas because the voltage was going up to 1 volt. I'm not an expert but my userstanding was the voltage drops towards zero volts when lean and rises towards 1 volt when running rich.
Who's right here?
Anyway the end of the story is Vauxhall says theres nothing wrong, though they can't explain the 'engine check' light coming on when idling in petrol (didn't do it for them but did it 4 times the day before it went into Vauxhall) and they're charging me for the time it's taken to run the diagnostics. Considering I booked it in on Monday morning and they didn't look at the car till Tuesday I'm not exactly happy with the service, let alone the charge!
Comments and advice would be welcome here everyone.
Ta
Stu
The conversion doesn't void the warranty on the engine. The warranty just won't cover damage to the engine caused by the conversion. (This is word for word what Vauxhall customer service told me). However if I use non Vauxhall HT leads this does void the warranty! (Also word for word from Vauxhall).
Vauxhall say that if you put a screwdriver against the HT leads then you will get arcing off the screwdriver against the engine. Also arcing across the end of the HT lead to the engine by the Plugs is normal. (Is this?)
This is the most interesting and could use some advice on. They also said that the O2 sensors were showing banks one and two were running lean on Gas because the voltage was going up to 1 volt. I'm not an expert but my userstanding was the voltage drops towards zero volts when lean and rises towards 1 volt when running rich.
Who's right here?
Anyway the end of the story is Vauxhall says theres nothing wrong, though they can't explain the 'engine check' light coming on when idling in petrol (didn't do it for them but did it 4 times the day before it went into Vauxhall) and they're charging me for the time it's taken to run the diagnostics. Considering I booked it in on Monday morning and they didn't look at the car till Tuesday I'm not exactly happy with the service, let alone the charge!
Comments and advice would be welcome here everyone.
Ta
Stu
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