Ford V8 in 2500m
Discussion
Seriously thinking of putting a Ford 289 or 5.0 in my 74 TVR 2500m.Has anyone at PH done this?Also how much modification has to be done to Brakes,Rear,Suspension etc.I would love to see the setup in a Griffith,but there are none to be found here in the states.There was a show in Carlisle Penn. with some,but I couldn't make it.
Hello Popzak
there are quite a few cars out there with the old henry up front, especially in your part of the world.
Richard sails, the club archivist has a rover V8 powered car. The 5.0 ford is actually an easier transplant because it is much narrower and fits between the chassis rails leaving more room for the exhausts.
weak link on your car is the TR6 rear end, unless you have a salisbury installed.
To do the swap you need to fab new engine mounts, build new exhausts, swap rear diff for a 4 HU powerlock, preferably from an old daimler hearse or probably in the states a pre 1984 Jag xjs 3.6
Brakes are ok for std road use but being TR6 you can upgrade to 4 pot calipers or if originality floats your boat use an e type 3 pot caliper
then it is the usual linkages etc etc
Neil
there are quite a few cars out there with the old henry up front, especially in your part of the world.
Richard sails, the club archivist has a rover V8 powered car. The 5.0 ford is actually an easier transplant because it is much narrower and fits between the chassis rails leaving more room for the exhausts.
weak link on your car is the TR6 rear end, unless you have a salisbury installed.
To do the swap you need to fab new engine mounts, build new exhausts, swap rear diff for a 4 HU powerlock, preferably from an old daimler hearse or probably in the states a pre 1984 Jag xjs 3.6
Brakes are ok for std road use but being TR6 you can upgrade to 4 pot calipers or if originality floats your boat use an e type 3 pot caliper
then it is the usual linkages etc etc
Neil
Hello Neil.I want to Thank You so much for your reply.I went to your profile and I must say it's Impressive.Your Blue Griffith is Beautiful.I'm going to research the info you gave and speak to a friend of mine that restores Jaguars.I'll ask him about the rear end.What's great is the Ford 5.0 is so easy to find and performance parts are everywhere.I have a 350 Chevy small block that produces 420 H.P.from a Porsche 911 I had.I was thinking of putting that in the TVR but I think it's a bit heavy.I had a 289 65 AC Cobra years ago and I figured the TVR with the same engine would be just as Scary 
Neil are there Griffith Kit Cars?
Eddie
Neil are there Griffith Kit Cars?
Eddie
heightswitch said:
pre 1984 Jag xjs 3.6
Just so that you're not looking for something which doesn't exist that's either pre 1984 Jag xjs 5.3 or post 1984 Jag xjs 3.6/4.0.
Richard Sails car is great but for his set up parts maybe hard to find - Cerbera prop for example. RV8s are light though.
Did you know that the Canadian importer did a run of 5000 Ford V8 Ms?
JR said:
pre 1984 Jag xjs 3.6
Just so that you're not looking for something which doesn't exist that's either pre 1984 Jag xjs 5.3 or post 1984 Jag xjs 3.6/4.0.
Richard Sails car is great but for his set up parts maybe hard to find - Cerbera prop for example. RV8s are light though.
Did you know that the Canadian importer did a run of 5000 Ford V8 Ms?
Hello JR,
Thank You for the Info...I can see why Ford V8's were a popular swap here in the states.The Ford 5.0 is only about 45lbs.heavier than the Triumph engine and getting 300-350 H.P. isn't a problem.
I had no idea a Canadian Importer did 5,000 m's.I thought they only made 947 m's?
Can you give me some info on this Canadian Importer?Thank You
Eddie
JR said:
pre 1984 Jag xjs 3.6
Just so that you're not looking for something which doesn't exist that's either pre 1984 Jag xjs 5.3 or post 1984 Jag xjs 3.6/4.0.
Richard Sails car is great but for his set up parts maybe hard to find - Cerbera prop for example. RV8s are light though.
Did you know that the Canadian importer did a run of 5000 Ford V8 Ms?
Sorry but i have to correct you. The diffs fitted to Jags were 3 in number. A V12 Jag often has a 2.88 final drive. The 3.6 / 4.0 post 85 XJS has a totally different diff to the salisbury 4HU. The car you can only source a Powerlok 4HU with a 3.54 ratio is an early 3.6 car IE 84-85 and some 86 cars. The other car is a daimler hearse. The 4.0 jag uses a totally different diff and has outboard brakes.
The key is to look for the Powerlok tag, indicating the ltd slip diff and the ratio of which there are lots. the original road griffith used a 3.07 ratio.
Neil.
heightswitch said:
pre 1984 Jag xjs 3.6
Just so that you're not looking for something which doesn't exist that's either pre 1984 Jag xjs 5.3 or post 1984 Jag xjs 3.6/4.0.
Sorry but i have to correct you. The diffs fitted to Jags were 3 in number. A V12 Jag often has a 2.88 final drive. The 3.6 / 4.0 post 85 XJS has a totally different diff to the salisbury 4HU. The car you can only source a Powerlok 4HU with a 3.54 ratio is an early 3.6 car IE 84-85 and some 86 cars. The other car is a daimler hearse. The 4.0 jag uses a totally different diff and has outboard brakes.
The key is to look for the Powerlok tag, indicating the ltd slip diff and the ratio of which there are lots. the original road griffith used a 3.07 ratio.
Dear Neil, you have clearly both misunderstood my earlier post and forgotten what you had written but no matter you have corrected yourself now and Eddie is able to look for a car that exists.
popzak said:
Ford 5.0 is only about 45lbs.heavier than the Triumph engine and getting 300-350 H.P. isn't a problem. I had no idea a Canadian Importer did 5,000 m's.I thought they only made 947 m's?
Can you give me some info on this Canadian Importer?Thank You
Sounds promising with that weight. Sorry, I don't have the name of the importer off the top of me head. Oliverb205 may be able to help...
John Wadman is the guy you're thinking of, based in Toronto.
Mr Zak, are you a TVRCCNA member? Marshall Moore has a 302 in his Taimar and there were several at Carlisle last weekend (I was hoping to meet you there!).
Although Pistonheads is a great source of shared knowledge, there are several US members your side of the pond who have done these conversions and would be more than willing to help.
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/T is where they hang out...
Mr Zak, are you a TVRCCNA member? Marshall Moore has a 302 in his Taimar and there were several at Carlisle last weekend (I was hoping to meet you there!).
Although Pistonheads is a great source of shared knowledge, there are several US members your side of the pond who have done these conversions and would be more than willing to help.
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/T is where they hang out...
Terminator said:
John Wadman is the guy you're thinking of, based in Toronto.
Mr Zak, are you a TVRCCNA member? Marshall Moore has a 302 in his Taimar and there were several at Carlisle last weekend (I was hoping to meet you there!).
Although Pistonheads is a great source of shared knowledge, there are several US members your side of the pond who have done these conversions and would be more than willing to help.
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/T is where they hang out...
Thank You Terminator.I just recently joined TVRCCNA and had the honor to speak to Marshall Moore over the phone.He did tell me to call if I needed any advice and also mentioned He had a conversion.I got sidetracked the past few months,but now everything is in order and I can get back to work on the TVR.I missed the meet at Carlisle last weekend.Last minute things came up.I was looking forward to seeing some TVR's and talking with the owners.
I'm going to check out the link You posted for me,and wish to Thank You again for your Help
Eddie Zak
JR said:
[Did you know that the Canadian importer did a run of 5000 Ford V8 Ms?
popzak said:
I had no idea a Canadian Importer did 5,000 m's.I thought they only made 947 m's?
I think that there was a bit of a miscommunication on this one. John Wadman has retrofitted a few "M" type TVRs with the 5.0 liter Ford engine; and the result was called a 5000M.
>> Edited by aztvr on Sunday 28th May 03:30
John Wadman did a total of 10 5000M conversions. And I believe all 10 were done on original 3-litre cars, not starting with the 2500M. If not, the great majority of them were done on 3-litre cars. The last of those 10 conversions was at the Carlisle show last weekend and was John Buszard's orange 5000M known as "The Pumpkin", formerly owned by Dave Graham.
aztvr said:
I think that there was a bit of a miscommunication on this one. John Wadman has retrofitted a few "M" type TVRs with the 5.0 liter Ford engine; and the result was called a 5000M.
It's easy to be misunderstood. BTW as I understand it the 5000Ms (ten in number) were delivered from TVR without engines for this purpose.
JR said:And as I understand it, they were delivered without gearboxes too! (Wonder if they were delivered without rev-counters?). Just to avoid any misunderstanding, of course
It's easy to be misunderstood. BTW as I understand it the 5000Ms (ten in number) were delivered from TVR without engines for this purpose.
aztvr said:
[Did you know that the Canadian importer did a run of 5000 Ford V8 Ms?
popzak said:
I had no idea a Canadian Importer did 5,000 m's.I thought they only made 947 m's?
I think that there was a bit of a miscommunication on this one. John Wadman has retrofitted a few "M" type TVRs with the 5.0 liter Ford engine; and the result was called a 5000M.
>> Edited by aztvr on Sunday 28th May 03:30
What was I thinking?or drinking
Thank You everyone for your help
>> Edited by popzak on Sunday 28th May 14:48
John Wadman was not totally forthcoming on how many 5000M's he has produced but mine is his last to date and was converted from a 3000M in 2003 after the previous owner blew up the 3 litre V6.
He started with 2500 M's because he thought that putting in a lighter, more powerful engine (302 Ford V8) would improve the car. In fact it transfoms it.
The engine goes as far back in the chassis as possible which makes the exhaust system difficult and tight and I sent a lot of time and money this winter sorting out a good system.
John did also fit an excellent A/C system to my car which makes it very useable in hot Canadian summers.
If you google 5000M and Buszard you will come up with pictures of the car.
There is a cataqlogue for 5000M's on the Truculent Troll web site.
He started with 2500 M's because he thought that putting in a lighter, more powerful engine (302 Ford V8) would improve the car. In fact it transfoms it.
The engine goes as far back in the chassis as possible which makes the exhaust system difficult and tight and I sent a lot of time and money this winter sorting out a good system.
John did also fit an excellent A/C system to my car which makes it very useable in hot Canadian summers.
If you google 5000M and Buszard you will come up with pictures of the car.
There is a cataqlogue for 5000M's on the Truculent Troll web site.
pumpkin said:
John Wadman was not totally forthcoming on how many 5000M's he has produced but mine is his last to date and was converted from a 3000M in 2003 after the previous owner blew up the 3 litre V6.
He started with 2500 M's because he thought that putting in a lighter, more powerful engine (302 Ford V8) would improve the car. In fact it transfoms it.
The engine goes as far back in the chassis as possible which makes the exhaust system difficult and tight and I sent a lot of time and money this winter sorting out a good system.
John did also fit an excellent A/C system to my car which makes it very useable in hot Canadian summers.
If you google 5000M and Buszard you will come up with pictures of the car.
There is a cataqlogue for 5000M's on the Truculent Troll web site.
Thanks pumpkin...
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