Stalling under Breaking

Stalling under Breaking

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adequatespeed

Original Poster:

87 posts

276 months

Saturday 25th January 2003
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I seem to be experiencing stalling under heavy breaking to a stop or near stop.

I understand that this is a common problem with carb fed engines. I have tried lowering the float levels and it seems to make little or no difference.

The engine is flooding, judging by the amount of smoke that comes out the back after restarting.

Any suggestions or similar experiences?

B1 ECC

388 posts

256 months

Saturday 25th January 2003
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Hi Mark, Yes, your right, it is the float levels, i have the same problem currently but i'm persevering with it while i try to resolve the engine problems.
Best suggestion is to lower it on the secondary side until it doesn't happen then work back up.
I also had this problem with the Cobra and resolved it, "as above"

GTRCLIVE

4,187 posts

284 months

Sunday 26th January 2003
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I might be wrong but jet extensions might help. There a common thing and Real Steel should have them. I had the same problem in my GT40, but the Carb I have know has Jet extensions and does not suffer with it. Just a word of warning, alter the fuel boul hieght to much could be a problem with running lean if your not carful.
Anyway I have found setting up the Pedals correctly for heal and toe makes it easyer to keep the old girl running. It's a habit I've got into but don't realy need at present. Plus it sounds great blipping the throttle down the gears, while braking.

jschwartz

836 posts

259 months

Sunday 26th January 2003
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the jet extensions and tuning the float level will cure it.

ultimaandy

1,225 posts

265 months

Sunday 26th January 2003
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My engine does suffer from this but not enough to worry me.

I have never experienced this on the track though as it only happens when I'm braking hard and have my foot on the clutch. i.e slamming on the brakes at the trafic lights.

B1 ECC

388 posts

256 months

Sunday 26th January 2003
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Thanks for the info gentlemen, I'm going to try the jet extensions!

B1 ECC

388 posts

256 months

Sunday 26th January 2003
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Just taking this subject a step further, I've just gone through my Holley manual, it says that this condition does occur under high G's (accel/Braking etc) and reccomend fittting a vent tube baffle or whistle as it's known. I know my carb already has this whistle fitted, but the book goes on to say that if this doesn't cure the problem, then extending the vent pipe on top of the the carb will prevent flooding of the venturi's under extreme conditions?
Worth a try Eh!!

ultimapaul

3,937 posts

265 months

Sunday 26th January 2003
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Although not 100% cured on my car, I just upped my tickover to about 950-1000rpm and this has made a big difference. Now the car only overheats whilst trundling through Le Mans in 30deg+ heat! But thats a whole different story.

adequatespeed

Original Poster:

87 posts

276 months

Sunday 26th January 2003
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Already tried something similar with mine.

I checked for whistle vents. Mine has them too.

I also tried putting a piece if rubber hose off the vent pipes to extend them to about 4" tall (just under the top of the air filter). I suspected that this would diagnose if the fuel was coming from the atomiser rings in the carb or through the vent tubes.

I made no difference - suggesting that the fuel was coming in through the jets and the atomiser rings in the carb.

I was going to try jet extensions but real steel was out of stock at the time.

Some more elaborate form of venting could be worth a try.

B1 ECC

388 posts

256 months

Sunday 26th January 2003
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Mark, It's back to the jet extensions then!

USCANAM

514 posts

260 months

k wright

1,039 posts

260 months

Wednesday 29th January 2003
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I called those guys and they replied that their setup would not be suitable for the "standard" Ultima motor (>500 hp).

ken

USCANAM

514 posts

260 months

Wednesday 29th January 2003
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k wright said: I called those guys and they replied that their setup would not be suitable for the "standard" Ultima motor (>500 hp).

ken


Ken, if you're referring to the Edelbrock EFI, Amerispeed has installed over 30 of them

adequatespeed

Original Poster:

87 posts

276 months

Wednesday 29th January 2003
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I have heard that too. I think they quote up to 450Bhp max.

The fact that American Speed use these on their 540Bhp motors adds further weight to the previous heated (and somewhat childish arguments) about engine failures and inadequate fuelling etc…look under the thread "vez"

I myslef would not use this unit – The AS decision to use its casts doubt in my mind over the power claims or the reliability claims.

The only real way to go is a throttle body set up ( www.kinsler.com ) an a proper ECU - e.g. motec, alpha etc... however this gets very expensive.

Perhaps we need a more reasoned discussion on the fuelling issues as it is evidently still a cause for concern over many owners.

STIG - Perhaps you could set up a new thread with various key posings from the previous dicussions and we could have a clean start on this?

jschwartz

836 posts

259 months

Wednesday 29th January 2003
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Jet Extensions!
Every Trans Am, Nascar, etc. series race car that uses a carburetor have jet extensions.

GTRCLIVE

4,187 posts

284 months

Wednesday 29th January 2003
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If you want Kinsler then check out my new engine, http://community.webshots.com/scrpts/editPhotos.fcgi

Yes thats a Full Frogger Nos System. Read it and weep.

Stig

11,818 posts

285 months

Wednesday 29th January 2003
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GTRCLIVE said: If you want Kinsler then check out my new engine, http://community.webshots.com/scrpts/editPhotos.fcgi

Yes thats a Full Frogger Nos System. Read it and weep.



I'm weeping - 'cos the link is broken !

Stig

11,818 posts

285 months

Wednesday 29th January 2003
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adequatespeed said: I have heard that too. I think they quote up to 450Bhp max.

The fact that American Speed use these on their 540Bhp motors adds further weight to the previous heated (and somewhat childish arguments) about engine failures and inadequate fuelling etc…look under the thread "vez"

I myslef would not use this unit – The AS decision to use its casts doubt in my mind over the power claims or the reliability claims.

The only real way to go is a throttle body set up ( www.kinsler.com ) an a proper ECU - e.g. motec, alpha etc... however this gets very expensive.

Perhaps we need a more reasoned discussion on the fuelling issues as it is evidently still a cause for concern over many owners.

STIG - Perhaps you could set up a new thread with various key posings from the previous dicussions and we could have a clean start on this?



Mark - be careful what you say regarding AS's claims unless you want them to take you to court for litigation!

B1 ECC

388 posts

256 months

Thursday 30th January 2003
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I agree with "adequatespeed" call for a reasoned discussion with regard to fuelling requirements,based on my own "Expensive" R&D I think it can only benefit current and potential owners, after all things considered, there's a lot of R&D carried out by owners!

Stig

11,818 posts

285 months

Thursday 30th January 2003
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Not disputing the usefulness of owners' experience, but as moderator, I do have a duty to PetrolTed and you lot to avoid any legal action being taken against him/you.

OK?