Boxster prices???
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Why do they seem to be so cheap??
2.5 from 10k to 14k
2.7 from 14k upwards
3.2s from 17k upwards [url]www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/85352.htm[/url]
Am I missing something?? Whats up with them?
Any help?
2.5 from 10k to 14k
2.7 from 14k upwards
3.2s from 17k upwards [url]www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/85352.htm[/url]
Am I missing something?? Whats up with them?
Any help?
The 'hairdresser' effect (ie unloved and cliched image to some), plus they're finding their base price, like all cars do. Which is why a good 911 of any age will still command 10k but not less (if it's properly sorted, fpsh etc.).
They're a real bargain. A ton of car for the money and much better for 10k than a 968 cab etc.
They're a real bargain. A ton of car for the money and much better for 10k than a 968 cab etc.
domster said:
The 'hairdresser' effect (ie unloved and cliched image to some), plus they're finding their base price, like all cars do. Which is why a good 911 of any age will still command 10k but not less (if it's properly sorted, fpsh etc.).
They're a real bargain. A ton of car for the money and much better for 10k than a 968 cab etc.
They're a real bargain. A ton of car for the money and much better for 10k than a 968 cab etc.
Thought of them as the hairdresser car, but the thought of a boxster s for 16.8k is very tempting...
I currently have a 944 cabriolet and have been having a sniff 'round a couple of Boxsters. As you say the price has come down and they do seem a lot of car for the money. However being a 944 owner I try and do as much of the work on the car as I can - oil changes, brake servicing, general servicing etc., (using a Porsche specialist for belt changes etc.) How easy is a Boxster to work on? With the mid-engine do you need a full hoist to get access to it? I assume it must be harder to get at than a 911?
domster said:
The 'hairdresser' effect (ie unloved and cliched image to some), plus they're finding their base price, like all cars do. Which is why a good 911 of any age will still command 10k but not less (if it's properly sorted, fpsh etc.).
They're a real bargain. A ton of car for the money and much better for 10k than a 968 cab etc.
They're a real bargain. A ton of car for the money and much better for 10k than a 968 cab etc.
as a moderator, arent you supposed to be trying to KEEP the peace?
They're a bargain all right. That's why I chose one over older porsches. I still can't believe what I've got for my money! 
And as they're getting older/cheaper there's increasing support from the independant specialists, which makes running them more feasable too.
I personally think their image will improve as they fall into the hands of enthusiasts (beardy men
).
You never know - one day - another boxster owner might even acknowledge me on the road.
And as they're getting older/cheaper there's increasing support from the independant specialists, which makes running them more feasable too.
I personally think their image will improve as they fall into the hands of enthusiasts (beardy men
). You never know - one day - another boxster owner might even acknowledge me on the road.
Edited by Bobfrance on Friday 14th July 09:04
I will do that bob if i see you at Loe bank!Boxsters are great cars,i got mine 4 weeks ago after owning a 3.2 carrera and a 944 before that.The boxster is faster than the 911 and easier to drive than the 944,its bang up to date and unlike my 911 and 944 everything works at once.Mine has full OPC history ,a new engine 12,000 miles ago and all mine for £15,000.In this weather what more can you ask for!
Big Les said:
I currently have a 944 cabriolet and have been having a sniff 'round a couple of Boxsters. As you say the price has come down and they do seem a lot of car for the money. However being a 944 owner I try and do as much of the work on the car as I can - oil changes, brake servicing, general servicing etc., (using a Porsche specialist for belt changes etc.) How easy is a Boxster to work on? With the mid-engine do you need a full hoist to get access to it? I assume it must be harder to get at than a 911?
There is very little to access from the top,you have to go underneathIt's not unique to Boxsters.
There is an over-supply of almost all cars, which has created a 'buyers' market'. Virtually all used prestige and sports cars have fallen to bargain prices. F360s, 996TTs, M3s, SLs, etc, have all been hit. But, whilst the purchase price can be tempting, any such car needs to be bought with care as cheap to buy doesn't necessarily mean cheap to run.
And, for those of us optimistically speccing up our Caymans, 997s, Astons, F430s, etc, exactly the same will happen. None of these cars are investments. Depreciation is the real cost of ownership.
There is an over-supply of almost all cars, which has created a 'buyers' market'. Virtually all used prestige and sports cars have fallen to bargain prices. F360s, 996TTs, M3s, SLs, etc, have all been hit. But, whilst the purchase price can be tempting, any such car needs to be bought with care as cheap to buy doesn't necessarily mean cheap to run.
And, for those of us optimistically speccing up our Caymans, 997s, Astons, F430s, etc, exactly the same will happen. None of these cars are investments. Depreciation is the real cost of ownership.
softinthehead said:
domster said:
The 'hairdresser' effect (ie unloved and cliched image to some), plus they're finding their base price, like all cars do. Which is why a good 911 of any age will still command 10k but not less (if it's properly sorted, fpsh etc.).
They're a real bargain. A ton of car for the money and much better for 10k than a 968 cab etc.
They're a real bargain. A ton of car for the money and much better for 10k than a 968 cab etc.
as a moderator, arent you supposed to be trying to KEEP the peace?
LOL, I tell it how it is. That is the perception of them. Personally I think they're great cars but someone asked why they're cheap. I told them
The simple fact is that Boxsters are now 10 years old and there are a lot of them about. They are great cars and spares prices and servicing, via independents, is not that expensive. Hence, realistic prices and an affordable car for the Porsche enthusiast.
The other side of the coin is that their reputation as a slow depreciator is probably no longer warranted.
Low Boxster prices means that there has also been a knock on effect on other "affordable" Porsches such as the 944 and 968. Good 944S2s or Turbos can be had for £5K (and its difficult to give an early 944 away). Another bargain, although, strangely, I am told that 944 spares are more expensive than Boxsters!
The other side of the coin is that their reputation as a slow depreciator is probably no longer warranted.
Low Boxster prices means that there has also been a knock on effect on other "affordable" Porsches such as the 944 and 968. Good 944S2s or Turbos can be had for £5K (and its difficult to give an early 944 away). Another bargain, although, strangely, I am told that 944 spares are more expensive than Boxsters!
A few weeks ago there was a posting entitled "12K to spend - what now?" (presently on page 8)and I replied to be cautious as prices in that bracket are falling due to too many cars being on the market in that price range as a result of the Boxster depreciation and arrival.
Then I responded to the claim that my comments were "rubbish" (now on the same page 8 entitled "Older price free fall myth" - second page in) by explaining in detail about the market and how I saw the future.
This current posting seems to support much of what I posted - but regardless of that - my previous postings may be interesting in the context of these comments, to look back.
Basically it means that too many cars will lower prices and whatever model you fancy will cost less to buy - so far so good - but then prices will probably continue to fall so - perhaps for the first time in a long time - prices of older Porsches that had been relatively stable for years - may depreciate again and Boxster, 3.2 carerra's and 944's (possibly even 968's) may all be affected. Added to the problem is owners of the older cars deciding to buy a more modern Boxster - as their own existing cars then come on to the market - again lowering prices due to there being too many for sale for the market to take.
However I warned that engine and gearbox problems (although rare) will cost more to fix with this new generation of post 1997 cars - but that many independents (like us) are sorting out rebuild options and even manufacturing replacement parts (we make 996 liners for example to repair damaged crankcases and have secured some bearings for the intermediate shafts etc) so although possibly more expensive - solutions should still be affordable.
A good additional point is that lower prices will bring crash damaged cars into the specialist used spares market sooner and at lower prices - all helping people in the sub £15K bracket to maintain their cars - even when a dissaster occurrs.
Finally - just because I work in this market does not mean that I have any better idea about the future than anyone else - I just offer my own observations and opinions as something to add to everything else and not as some kind of authority - I wish I was clever enough to predict exactly but can only guess and ponder - please make up your own mind.
I do however see that the future marlet position of older Porsche's will be different than the past has been and so a whole new understanding of that market will eventually emerge - oh well at least it is an interesting development to think about.
Baz Hartech
Then I responded to the claim that my comments were "rubbish" (now on the same page 8 entitled "Older price free fall myth" - second page in) by explaining in detail about the market and how I saw the future.
This current posting seems to support much of what I posted - but regardless of that - my previous postings may be interesting in the context of these comments, to look back.
Basically it means that too many cars will lower prices and whatever model you fancy will cost less to buy - so far so good - but then prices will probably continue to fall so - perhaps for the first time in a long time - prices of older Porsches that had been relatively stable for years - may depreciate again and Boxster, 3.2 carerra's and 944's (possibly even 968's) may all be affected. Added to the problem is owners of the older cars deciding to buy a more modern Boxster - as their own existing cars then come on to the market - again lowering prices due to there being too many for sale for the market to take.
However I warned that engine and gearbox problems (although rare) will cost more to fix with this new generation of post 1997 cars - but that many independents (like us) are sorting out rebuild options and even manufacturing replacement parts (we make 996 liners for example to repair damaged crankcases and have secured some bearings for the intermediate shafts etc) so although possibly more expensive - solutions should still be affordable.
A good additional point is that lower prices will bring crash damaged cars into the specialist used spares market sooner and at lower prices - all helping people in the sub £15K bracket to maintain their cars - even when a dissaster occurrs.
Finally - just because I work in this market does not mean that I have any better idea about the future than anyone else - I just offer my own observations and opinions as something to add to everything else and not as some kind of authority - I wish I was clever enough to predict exactly but can only guess and ponder - please make up your own mind.
I do however see that the future marlet position of older Porsche's will be different than the past has been and so a whole new understanding of that market will eventually emerge - oh well at least it is an interesting development to think about.
Baz Hartech
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