997 Carrera or TT
Discussion
Having ordered my 997 C4S, I found myself tempted by the sight of a GT silver 997 TT yesterday - surely the devil's work. Got me wondering: have many of you buyers of new highly specced Carreras been tempted to stump up the extra to get a TT? How many have opted to stay with the Carrera?
The TT has been my dream car for years, but I was seriously impressed with the Carrera S and 4S - enough to buy one (C4s). Something, other than the extra 20k, is holding me back from buying the TT as my first porsche. Anyone else been through this?
The TT has been my dream car for years, but I was seriously impressed with the Carrera S and 4S - enough to buy one (C4s). Something, other than the extra 20k, is holding me back from buying the TT as my first porsche. Anyone else been through this?
When I was looking (admittedly on a smaller budget) I spent the same 20k more than a 996C4S (secondhand) on a 996tt instead. The fact I was getting a car considerably faster, probably more depreciation proof and without the (rightly or wrongly) questionable reliability issues made it well worthwhile.
Having owned it for 8 months, I would have been gutted if I'd bought that C4S instead.
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Having owned it for 8 months, I would have been gutted if I'd bought that C4S instead.
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I drove the 997TT for the first time yesterday at OPC East London. Coming from my 997 C2 Tip, with 325bhp, the 480bhp made it a considerably different car. They quoted me 12 months for a new one.
I am seriously, seriously tempted! The power reserve is incredible
The 997 Carrera models are absolutely fantastic cars, whichever one you go for, but if I was spending £80k odd on a C4S, I would always be left thinking that for a bit extra, I could have the ultimate 997!
Would you not consider a C2S for £70k odd? That to me, would be the better buy.
I am seriously, seriously tempted! The power reserve is incredible
The 997 Carrera models are absolutely fantastic cars, whichever one you go for, but if I was spending £80k odd on a C4S, I would always be left thinking that for a bit extra, I could have the ultimate 997!
Would you not consider a C2S for £70k odd? That to me, would be the better buy.
Unless you pay a speculator, it will be a fair wait for the 997TT, I'd change my C4S order to C2S instead, run it for a year & then get into a used 997TT, or alternatively if you must have new, place your TT order when you take delivery of the C2S!
The 996C4S made a great case for itself & was actually worth the premium, it looked so much better than the facelift C2 had a much higher spec with sports suspension & looked just like the vastly more expensive turbo!
The 997C4S has a wider body, but in isolation doesn't look any different to the C2S, it certainly doesn't look like a turbo & the traction is so fabulous in the 2wd car, 4wd is excess to requirements unless you have turbo power. The suspension is pretty much the same, so again no benefits there. For the price premium the 997C4S doesn't stand comparison with the 997C2S,in my opinion, I really would save your cash. Test drive both back to back & see what YOU think, which is what counts.
The 996C4S made a great case for itself & was actually worth the premium, it looked so much better than the facelift C2 had a much higher spec with sports suspension & looked just like the vastly more expensive turbo!
The 997C4S has a wider body, but in isolation doesn't look any different to the C2S, it certainly doesn't look like a turbo & the traction is so fabulous in the 2wd car, 4wd is excess to requirements unless you have turbo power. The suspension is pretty much the same, so again no benefits there. For the price premium the 997C4S doesn't stand comparison with the 997C2S,in my opinion, I really would save your cash. Test drive both back to back & see what YOU think, which is what counts.
jjr1 said:
I have a Carrera S and would never get a TT as it doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. A proper 997S ( -20mm car with lsd) and a naturally aspirated engine with 2wd, is leagues ahead on the desirability stakes for me.
Bravo
A man with impeccable taste. I probably will never be able to afford a new 911 but if I were, it wouldn't be the Turbo that'd I'd go for. It would be a sporterised 911 Carrera. 
I went from a 996tt X50 (fulfilment of a motoring dream to own one) to a 997 C2S -
Personally for me anyway, for all the accolades about the 996tt being an ultimate performance car and 911 for that matter I found it all together too easy to drive fast (too fast for the UK anyway) and not all that involving. The car had enourmous ability and it was fantastic to feel the surge of power albeit for precious seconds only as any longer would see you in the 'You are going to Jail catergory of speed'
Of course there is a massive grin factor to be had and a certain delight in achieving these speeds so easily but I found this soon wore off, fortunatley without impact to my driving license. It really is a fast car to own and drive.
The 997 S (preferably in 2WD format - it is a personal thing), whilst being no doubt slower than a 996tt, can be driven with much more vigour. Speeds achieved are still high but there is much more enjoyment in achieving them.
As a footnote - I am very very happy with my 997S - and yes, if a 996tt comes past me on the road, I do have a slight twinge over what I have done in selling the arguably much faster and more capable machine for the 997S.
I think I have made the right decision so far. Whatever you go for they are both excellent. It depends on your needs.
If you want to make an impact at VMAX events - get the 996tt X50 and get it tuned
If you want to enjoy a well sorted 911 and enjoy a great (no RMS jokes please) naturally aspirated engine with a tasty exhaust Howl (especially with optional PSE) then go for a 997 S.
Enjoy
Personally for me anyway, for all the accolades about the 996tt being an ultimate performance car and 911 for that matter I found it all together too easy to drive fast (too fast for the UK anyway) and not all that involving. The car had enourmous ability and it was fantastic to feel the surge of power albeit for precious seconds only as any longer would see you in the 'You are going to Jail catergory of speed'
Of course there is a massive grin factor to be had and a certain delight in achieving these speeds so easily but I found this soon wore off, fortunatley without impact to my driving license. It really is a fast car to own and drive.
The 997 S (preferably in 2WD format - it is a personal thing), whilst being no doubt slower than a 996tt, can be driven with much more vigour. Speeds achieved are still high but there is much more enjoyment in achieving them.
As a footnote - I am very very happy with my 997S - and yes, if a 996tt comes past me on the road, I do have a slight twinge over what I have done in selling the arguably much faster and more capable machine for the 997S.
I think I have made the right decision so far. Whatever you go for they are both excellent. It depends on your needs.
If you want to make an impact at VMAX events - get the 996tt X50 and get it tuned
If you want to enjoy a well sorted 911 and enjoy a great (no RMS jokes please) naturally aspirated engine with a tasty exhaust Howl (especially with optional PSE) then go for a 997 S.
Enjoy
Fruitcake said:
jjr1 said:
I have a Carrera S and would never get a TT as it doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. A proper 997S ( -20mm car with lsd) and a naturally aspirated engine with 2wd, is leagues ahead on the desirability stakes for me.
Bravo
A man with impeccable taste. I probably will never be able to afford a new 911 but if I were, it wouldn't be the Turbo that'd I'd go for. It would be a sporterised 911 Carrera. Ahhh, I'm getting a lump in my throat, but perhaps your irrelevant CS versus TT discussion should go in a different thread? The OP was discussing the turbo and non-turbo C4 varieties, and my advice stands -- the poor man's turbo will always feel just like that. Every time you accelerate out of a corner or past somebody and you don't feel like you getting anywhere fast, you'll be cursing that you should have spent that extra 20k on the proper one. Don't forget the money isn't "spent" as such, the price differential will always mean you'll get most of that back when you're done with it.
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supermono said:
Fruitcake said:
jjr1 said:
I have a Carrera S and would never get a TT as it doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. A proper 997S ( -20mm car with lsd) and a naturally aspirated engine with 2wd, is leagues ahead on the desirability stakes for me.
Bravo
A man with impeccable taste. I probably will never be able to afford a new 911 but if I were, it wouldn't be the Turbo that'd I'd go for. It would be a sporterised 911 Carrera. Ahhh, I'm getting a lump in my throat, but perhaps your irrelevant CS versus TT discussion should go in a different thread? The OP was discussing the turbo and non-turbo C4 varieties, and my advice stands -- the poor man's turbo will always feel just like that. Every time you accelerate out of a corner or past somebody and you don't feel like you getting anywhere fast, you'll be cursing that you should have spent that extra 20k on the proper one. Don't forget the money isn't "spent" as such, the price differential will always mean you'll get most of that back when you're done with it.
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Not that irrelevant because the point is rather than getting a C4S he could get a C2S and for some but not all that is even more desirable than a TT.
jjr1 said:
Not that irrelevant because the point is rather than getting a C4S he could get a C2S and for some but not all that is even more desirable than a TT.
But this is the curse of the internet forum:
1. Poster asks between two options.
2. Some people respond.
3. Within a handful of posts, someone who can't help with original question so attempts to turn discussion to question they do have a view on.
4. Thread now shoots off at a tangent and becomes useless for OP.
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supermono said:
jjr1 said:
Not that irrelevant because the point is rather than getting a C4S he could get a C2S and for some but not all that is even more desirable than a TT.
But this is the curse of the internet forum:
1. Poster asks between two options.
2. Some people respond.
3. Within a handful of posts, someone who can't help with original question so attempts to turn discussion to question they do have a view on.
4. Thread now shoots off at a tangent and becomes useless for OP.
SM
Okay just for you then I will keep it on topic of just those two cars.
So C4S or TT? Well since they are both 4wd and neither is very 'pure/fun' I would go with the one with the maddest engine.
So TT any day over a C4S.
Happy now?
Im another one not interested in changing to a 997tt(I have a carrera s now).The s is plenty fast enough for me.I was watching re runs of top gear the other day,when clarkson tests the 996 c4s and tt.For me he hits the nail on the head when he says that driving a 996tt is like going to the pub with an axe murderer-great fun but you know you are going to end up being killed!
I ran 2 x 997 C2S - coupe and cab - and have a Dec build slot for a 997 TT.
I test drove a 996 TT a couple of months ago and LOVED it and was SO impressed by its speed. I also think it looks awesome.
I put a 997 TT around Milbrook for a day a few weeks ago and LOVED it - and thought it looked quite good.
A £50k 996 TT is looking more appealing than a £100k 997 TT right now...
I test drove a 996 TT a couple of months ago and LOVED it and was SO impressed by its speed. I also think it looks awesome.
I put a 997 TT around Milbrook for a day a few weeks ago and LOVED it - and thought it looked quite good.
A £50k 996 TT is looking more appealing than a £100k 997 TT right now...
Guys "chill", all the threads are relevant to the original question.
As in.... anyone considering a 997C4S/997TT should consider a 996TT on value (hey it looks so similar to the 997TT & an x-50 with sport exhaust would also keep the 997 straight at near 1/2 the price!) & a 997C2S on value & 2WD handling finesse!
So every one is right & no-one is wrong, it is down to the original poster to try the options & decide what he wants!
As in.... anyone considering a 997C4S/997TT should consider a 996TT on value (hey it looks so similar to the 997TT & an x-50 with sport exhaust would also keep the 997 straight at near 1/2 the price!) & a 997C2S on value & 2WD handling finesse!
So every one is right & no-one is wrong, it is down to the original poster to try the options & decide what he wants!
I was chilled but Supermono finds it strange that people offer diffrent opinions to his.
When I decided to get a 997S with -20mm loads of people offered opinions such as get a 996TT its cheaper or buy a 996GT3 its more pure or don't get a -20mm it will kill resale. Unlike many folk on here I actually listened to these peoples contributions and made up my own mind.
I find a lot of people on here are very defensive of 'their' choice. They hate the idea that they wasted money on 'looks','peer pressure','straight line speed' etc etc.
I didn't do any of the above. I bought what suited and still would rather a 996GT3/RS etc etc but am not bothered in the slightest that they are more fun cars. I know it and their owners do but unfortunately it just does not suit my exact needs right now.
My dream combo is actually my own car for road 997S with -20mm/lsd and a proper circuit car (R300/Radical/or other proper fast light track car) but I don't have the car parking spaces required. Even now I think i would be better with a compromised road car but a decent track car (Elise with audi 300bhp engine
) as my sole mode of transport.
So chill out guys and stop taking the bait or I will have to keep feeding it.
When I decided to get a 997S with -20mm loads of people offered opinions such as get a 996TT its cheaper or buy a 996GT3 its more pure or don't get a -20mm it will kill resale. Unlike many folk on here I actually listened to these peoples contributions and made up my own mind.
I find a lot of people on here are very defensive of 'their' choice. They hate the idea that they wasted money on 'looks','peer pressure','straight line speed' etc etc.
I didn't do any of the above. I bought what suited and still would rather a 996GT3/RS etc etc but am not bothered in the slightest that they are more fun cars. I know it and their owners do but unfortunately it just does not suit my exact needs right now.
My dream combo is actually my own car for road 997S with -20mm/lsd and a proper circuit car (R300/Radical/or other proper fast light track car) but I don't have the car parking spaces required. Even now I think i would be better with a compromised road car but a decent track car (Elise with audi 300bhp engine
) as my sole mode of transport. So chill out guys and stop taking the bait or I will have to keep feeding it.
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